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Topic: Help Lizard Breath Save Bush from Hurricane Katrina
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 19 of 205 (240991)
09-07-2005 9:39 AM
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Its just because Bush doesn't care about black people.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 21 of 205 (240993)
09-07-2005 9:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Yaro
09-07-2005 9:42 AM
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He sent them a hurricane because he didn't sign Kyoto.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 26 of 205 (240999)
09-07-2005 10:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Yaro
09-07-2005 10:03 AM
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Thank you.Actually that has been my Avatar since day one (or close to it). I never put up the eagle one. Everytime I looked in my profile, the 1VB "coin" was listed there, but the other pic posted. I have no idea why or why it is now displaying correctly.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 27 of 205 (241002)
09-07-2005 10:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 25 by nator
09-07-2005 10:04 AM
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Tal, do you have any plans for substantively addressing the OP or are you just going to make contentless asides throughout the thread? No. It's pretty ridiculous IMO. Political hackery all the way, even in the Nation's worst natural disaster ever. It isn't worth the effort. Some people simply hate Bush and blame him for everything. They aren't interested in any debate or rebuttal. It's just hate..hate...hate... Start putting forth ideas. Then, maybe, conservatives will start giving you the time of day.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well to be more correct with your analogy, shouldn't we then divert our military to bomb some obscure creek somewhere, designated by Bush and Co as a major "fountain" of water related emergencies? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, and that creek would just happen to be flowing over one of the largest oil fields on Earth.
Case in point. This message has been edited by Tal, 09-07-2005 10:11 AM
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 30 of 205 (241007)
09-07-2005 10:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by nator
09-07-2005 10:21 AM
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I wasn't skewering Holmes, I was skewering you.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 32 of 205 (241011)
09-07-2005 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by nator
09-07-2005 10:35 AM
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Ok...(sigh) If I choose to live in a tidal plane whose responsibility is it to ensure that my property does not get flooded? And, when the inevitable happens, would I be justified in blaming my problems on the President of the United States? Is it the fault of the federal government or the Corps of Engineers for not giving me enough money to protect my property? Even The New York Times is reporting that the state and city government had serious issues before the hurricane even made landfall, issues serious enough to cause police officers to abandon their posts and their city before the hurricane hit. Now why was it my responsibility to pay to keep New Orleans above the water level? And, why would someone choose to purchase costal property that was below sea level? Like Sam Kinnison said, “we have deserts but we don’t live in them.” Next, Mayor Nagin and many in the media are criticizing FEMA and the President for a delayed response in the relief effort. These are more brainless accusations made in ignorance. President Bush declared a state of emergency before Katrina even made landfall so FEMA could preposition its relief effort. What was not predicted was the need to evacuate and feed half a million people from a flooded and crime ridden city. To my recollection, this is a feat which has never been accomplished before. The closest comparison I can imagine would be the Normandy invasion but the allies practiced for months and then only transported 156, 000. If Mayor Nagin thinks that FEMA should have used their crystal ball to predict and better prepare then why didn’t he use his to better evacuate his city or reinforce the dikes with New Orleans funds before Katrina? Finally, we have a class within our society which I have started calling feral humans. Some of these feral humans are making a mess of the rescue effort in New Orleans. For those who would rape and murder during the rescue effort I suggest 168 grains of justice propelled by 44.5 grains of determination which I can produce at a cost of around 25 cents. As for the looters, I can forgive those acquiring food but those looting anything other than food or water should be identified, prosecuted, and sentenced to the maximum the law allows. “We have no way of washing our clothes” is no excuse. I have personally worn the same clothes under extreme for much more than 5 days. This message has been edited by Tal, 09-07-2005 10:43 AM
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 39 of 205 (241091)
09-07-2005 4:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Silent H
09-07-2005 12:32 PM
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holmes, my reply wasn't to you or your OP. It was in response to the absurd posts that followed, both of which I stated.
Tell that to the people of Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and almost everyone in Israel. While Isreal does have deserts, it has alot of farmland and the best fishing in the world. It isn't a desert country. And yes, if you choose to live in NO, that's your fault. I'm from Louisiana. My wife is from Louisiana. My uncle is a psychologist with an MBA that just retired from working at a prison in New Orleans. Their house, which they haven't sold yet, is still in Belle Chase (uppity subdivision). I remember many times when we would talk about the state of New Orleans' water problems just waiting to happen. Luckily, my Uncle retired and moved to Baton Rouge 2 months ago. *EDIT 2* We paid out (notice WE..not the US Government) 1.9 million dollars on average to victims' families from 911. I wonder how much we are going to pay all the victims of Katrina? This message has been edited by Tal, 09-07-2005 04:40 PM
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 40 of 205 (241093)
09-07-2005 4:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Yaro
09-07-2005 4:20 PM
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arach, your being a bit too harsh! I mean, bush was nice enugh to take a whole 2 days off from his 5 weak vacation! I mean, seriously, he's a busy man. We can't bother him with trifeling matters. That would be...week. But this is just more evidence of political hackery. You lefties keep it up. You aren't winning people over with your ideas, mainly because you don't have any, but also because all you do is piss and moan about Bush and his administration. All this does is cause you to lose elections by an even larger margin.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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tal, the country is starting to wake up and smell the bullshit, Keep thinking that.
and bush is not winning people over with his actions Yeah, that's why he and republicans have been winning by ever increasing margins. Win some elections before you make this claim. Last time I checked, you lost the Presidential election (by a wider margin) and you lost more seats in the house and the senate despite an incumbant President (which isn't the norm).
tal, the country is starting to wake up and smell the bullshit, finally. that "liberal" media that's been without a spine for 5 years is growing one. Oh you mean the forged docuements at CBS and the made up Koran flushing story? You are correct, the media doesn't have a spine. They will have a spine when they start reporting the truth, instead of the "if it bleeds it leads" mentality it currently has so that it can sell more commercials.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 48 of 205 (241242)
09-08-2005 7:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 42 by Silent H
09-07-2005 6:11 PM
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There may be fishing, but that does not stop it from being a desert. From what I understand the farmland is almost entirely land reclaimed from the desert, just like LA and LV. That is they put in a lot of money to alter the landscape (like we do with levees). You may correct me if I am wrong on that but that's what the Israelis have been claiming for some time now... it was a desert until they changed it. They may have done a little with actual desert, but the Jezreel valley was swampland in the 40s. Do they know how to make the desert grow grass? I don't know. But when you are in Egypt, it is all desert. After you cross the 30 meters of no man's land at the border, its all grass and trees. Head a few miles (literally) east and you hit the Jordanian border, and it switches back to desert.
That's funny, how much did WE (notice that is WE) have to pay fatcats, including a Bush clan member, from the savings and loan bailout. Suddenly people who voluntarily put money at risk to make money, stole other people's money and lost it, and we had to pay them back. Examples?
So what's the big deal if we pay for people that actually face a natural disaster or terrorist attack? It is the entitlement mentality of people nowadays that irks me. Give me give me give me. The government owes me. IMO the government is not the answer to everything in life, nor should we rely on government to run our lives. 1.9 million for 911 victims is ludicrous, and we've set a dangerous precedent by doing so.
One might also note that Louisiana's problems were not static, but growing due to subsidence, which was pretty much a direct result of a Army Corps of Engineer's screw up. How did they screw up? Did you know about the 9th Ward crackheads that have been arrested time and time again because they steal dirt from the levees, which makes it weaker?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 49 of 205 (241243)
09-08-2005 7:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by crashfrog
09-08-2005 7:43 AM
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You didn't hear? Those stories turned out to be absolutely true.
Do you have a source? They were absolutely FALSE!!! The story was retracted.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Re: The Plan
This was predicted 8 years ago! the question is, why wasn't there a plan? George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 52 of 205 (241253)
09-08-2005 8:53 AM
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NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 6, 2005 ” In New Orleans, those in peril and those in power have pointed the finger squarely at the federal government for the delayed relief effort. But experts say when natural disasters strike, it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments ” not the federal government ” to respond.
Point the finger elsewhere There you go Bush-haters.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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I have a new found respect for you arach.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5972 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 55 of 205 (241257)
09-08-2005 9:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Modulous
09-08-2005 8:56 AM
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Re: The Plan
Looks like you are comparing 2 different issues. I agree with you about the levee being the responsibility of the local government and the Fed helping with levee funds. I'm from Louisiana and I've been saying that for years. The problem is NO is a liberal run liberal mecca. Most of the citizens rely soley on goverment to support their lifestyles. The individuals in this category don't pay taxes, so the tax cuts are a moot point. If you want to see Liberalism at its finest...look at NO.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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