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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I don't think it is Jesus Christ
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KChurbuck Junior Member (Idle past 6484 days) Posts: 2 From: Nashua, NH Joined: |
First cut, it is not a properly constucted syllogism. Law of Undistributed Middle.
Also, Non- Sequitor Also, Contrary not contr-postive arguement. - Ken -
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
But it is God speaking isn't it, I mean that is what the text says.
So, back to your logic and we have: God kills innocent children in EgyptJesus is God Therefore Jesus killed innocent children in Egypt. Let's try another one. Who is speaking here: "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." Slay women, infants, and even little suckling babies, which monster ordered this atrocity? Brian.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What about the lives of little Wun Hung Lo and his sister in a small mountian village in China, are their lives valuable? Their lives are valuable to them, I would think.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Are their lives valuable to you?
Brian.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Are their lives valuable to you? I can't speak of somebody's life being valuable in this abstract way. Let's say I'm reading a newspaper and I'm reading accounts of various deaths. I cannot say that those lives I've been reading about are valuable to me since I have no personal contact with the individuals. I suppose one might have a sentiment about human lives in general being valuable, but when I think in these abstract terms I think objectively. So the answer is no. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
cute. if you don't know them, their lives aren't valuable to you.
they're valuable to me, particularly because i haven't met them yet.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
you seem to have an interesting point of view, and one i appreciate, but i have to warn you, it is difficult to hold the position that jesus is not who he said he was... the fulfillment of the law... jesus was a jew. he presented himself as a jew. he also presented himself as the fulfillment of the promises of the jewish god. if he was in fact god also, then he cold be none other than the jewish god. it is a sufficiently reasonable position to say that the jews made up certain sections of the old testament, but not to say that it is true but not the right god. that is simply inconsistent with the evidence presented. hold a contrary position, but hold a tenable one.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
they're valuable to me, particularly because i haven't met them yet. What a pleasant sentiment. I have suspicions about it.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
have all the suspicions you like.
generally, people i have met have less value to me than people i have not. why? most people i have met have demonstrated that they are not worth consideration in a personal sense. sure, they deserve general protections the same as anyone else, but no respect or any such thing. their lack of concern for me has created a lack of value in me of them. the rest of the world has a much better place in my heart. just because you may not be capable of weeping for the sorrow of someone you do not know does not mean everyone is incapable of such things. at the heart of it, everyone has the same amount of love and hate and hopes and dreams as i do and thus is so much like me that is is easy to value them even if only in a general sense because i don't know their names or their numbers. it is irrelevant to me that they do not "exist" in my world, i am concerned, nonetheless.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
generally, people i have met have less value to me than people i have not. why? most people i have met have demonstrated that they are not worth consideration in a personal sense. sure, they deserve general protections the same as anyone else, but no respect or any such thing. their lack of concern for me has created a lack of value in me of them Surely, it can't be as bad as all that.
the rest of the world has a much better place in my heart Well, that's romantic. The people I know are no good, but the people I don't know are good.
just because you may not be capable of weeping for the sorrow of someone you do not know does not mean everyone is incapable of such things You might not want to subscribe to a morning paper. You'll be weeping all day.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Surely, it can't be as bad as all that.
you have no idea. i have been abused by nearly everyone i've met. very few people have ever been merely uninterested in me. it's always either complete tolerance (and i have around 20 people in my life that would fit into this category out of the 10 cities i've lived in and the innumerable people i've met) or absolute disdain. i'm not difficult to get along with, i'm just too different for most people to like.
The people I know are no good, but the people I don't know are good. it's not that precisely. it's that the people i have met have demonstrated their failings to me. it is easier for me to look at people i don't know without the cynical distaste i have grown for most people i have met. i feel that all people are entitled to the same rights and the same provisions, but it is easier to allow it to people who haven't demonstrated that they are complete shitheads.
You might not want to subscribe to a morning paper. You'll be weeping all day. the hardest part about being in polisci is having to read the news. not to mention my study of choice, genocide. just yesterday i couldn't handle a story. but i am resilient and i pick up and try to figure out what i can do about it. i don't wallow, i just work through it and then fix it.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
i'm not difficult to get along with, i'm just too different for most people to like. What about that boyfriend you showed us a picture of recently?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
he is, fortunately, a very tolerant person.
most is not all, merely most. like i said. ~20 people out of the 10 cities and conceivable 1000 people met per city... less when i was younger, more as i aged. but always the same. i figure it's probably the same percentile that i am that dislike me completely... 99. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
i figure it's probably the same percentile that i am that dislike me completely... 99. I doubt that.
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