truth preserving logic?(value of human life)

cute. if you don't know them, their lives aren't valuable to you.they're valuable to me, particularly because i haven't met them yet.

you seem to have an interesting point of view, and one i appreciate, but i have to warn you, it is difficult to hold the position that jesus is not who he said he was... the fulfillment of the law... jesus was a jew. he presented himself as a jew. he also presented himself as the fulfillment of the promises of the jewish god. if he was in fact god also, then he cold be none other than the jewish god. it is a sufficiently reasonable position to say that the jews made up certain sections of the old testament, but not to say that it is true but not the right god. that is simply inconsistent with the evidence presented. hold a contrary position, but hold a tenable one.

have all the suspicions you like.generally, people i have met have less value to me than people i have not. why? most people i have met have demonstrated that they are not worth consideration in a personal sense. sure, they deserve general protections the same as anyone else, but no respect or any such thing. their lack of concern for me has created a lack of value in me of them. the rest of the world has a much better place in my heart.just because you may not be capable of weeping for the sorrow of someone you do not know does not mean everyone is incapable of such things. at the heart of it, everyone has the same amount of love and hate and hopes and dreams as i do and thus is so much like me that is is easy to value them even if only in a general sense because i don't know their names or their numbers. it is irrelevant to me that they do not "exist" in my world, i am concerned, nonetheless.

you have no idea. i have been abused by nearly everyone i've met. very few people have ever been merely uninterested in me. it's always either complete tolerance (and i have around 20 people in my life that would fit into this category out of the 10 cities i've lived in and the innumerable people i've met) or absolute disdain. i'm not difficult to get along with, i'm just too different for most people to like. it's not that precisely. it's that the people i have met have demonstrated their failings to me. it is easier for me to look at people i don't know without the cynical distaste i have grown for most people i have met. i feel that all people are entitled to the same rights and the same provisions, but it is easier to allow it to people who haven't demonstrated that they are complete shitheads. the hardest part about being in polisci is having to read the news. not to mention my study of choice, genocide. just yesterday i couldn't handle a story. but i am resilient and i pick up and try to figure out what i can do about it. i don't wallow, i just work through it and then fix it.

he is, fortunately, a very tolerant person.most is not all, merely most. like i said. ~20 people out of the 10 cities and conceivable 1000 people met per city... less when i was younger, more as i aged. but always the same. i figure it's probably the same percentile that i am that dislike me completely... 99.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

try it.

you're using the bible wrongly. he's not saying everything that came before was bupkus. he's saying that the way the high priests have come to behave (kind of like celebrities) is not the way you should be. he's saying that it is those who are kind and upright who will be rewarded. hhe's extending the law to not simply require not killing or stealing, but also not hating and to giving. you are saying people made up stuff. someone did somewhere. if jesus is god and god is one, then jesus is the god of the old testament too, and jesus commanded the murder of women and children. it's that simple. anything else is simply untenable. if jesus wasn't the god of the old testament, then someone, somewhere is making something up. either jesus is god or he isn't, or there is a lie and he is not the god of the old testament. this is what you demand, and it's really an unsuportable position. either jesus is the god of the old testament or he isn't god. that's the way the text is presented and those are the conclusions that can be made.you can't just say "oh i don't lke this part and i think that's some other god". you can say "i think this part is political propaganda and an old hebrew george w. decided to make up some 'GOD WILLS IT!' crap so he could get away with genocide". of course, this calls into question the veracity of the book, but i'm okay with that. are you?if the parts attributed to god are actually the parts god play, then it is either the same god or jesus is not god. jesus can only be god if he is the same god as the rest... that's the way he presents himself.

welcome to evc. here, we have this thing called "debate". it's an odd thing really, but it required questioning every angle of everything we're presented with. even the 7-dayers here do it... just not of the bible. we have to be sure that what you are presenting is logical and if it isn't, then you're going to hear about it. we can't understand your position until we pick it apart, and we're not going to take everything you say at face value and believe it and say "amen! bruthah!" it's not going to happen.good luck here, and try to stay on topic so the trash monster doesn't eat you.

do the lebanese not value human life?you managed to leave them out of your discussion. i was wondering if this was purposeful like some who claim that muslims simply don't value human life. it seems to me that many christians only value christian life and that not very much because they are so willing to lose it for an unknown goal.

and why is it that you have decided to do this? do you not believe that i am that unlikeable or that i have that much potential?what evidence have you that either of these possible assertions are correct? i have a long, well-recorded history of abuse by my fellow human beings and you have what exactly?

at evc i am merely a communication of my mind. this has very little to do with my personality or my disposition. it is very hard here to laugh out of context or say the wrong thing or be too close to people or not smile at the right time or to offend someone simly by existing. here i am merely a demonstration of my thoughts. elsewhere other people expect more and i cannot deliver. it doesn't matter to you whether i have no facial expression or only carry on one sided conversations. it only matters to you if my arguments are logically consistent and supported. but then logic is what i do, and it is logic that is why i am unable to do the other activities. in my mind they are wasteful. i avoid people too much to abuse them. the only person i've had the chance to abuse is my mother and i'm getting better about that. i'm not suggesting i'm more abused than others, simply abused by more than most.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

reading lessonsdefinition of debate*edit*
trash monster, x-files season six episode: arcadia
planned community built on a landfill with a resident code enforced by a tibettan summoned creature formed of the trash under the ground.
community sign
trash monster
monster makes with the squishing
naughty resident post-squishEdited by brennakimi, : trash monster reference.

one fact that you're missing is that i am a christian but that doesn't exempt me from logic. jesus is presented in the bible. jesus claims to be the god of the jews.THE WORDS OF JESUS ARE THAT HE IS THE GOD OF THE LAW.the god of the jews has a long history of claiming and ordering the killing of women and children.it is a difficult thing to comprehend, but i have begun to deal with this in the following way. god is not benevolent, but we must be. the words of christ are what we must follow... he has no such restrictions.

yes, but you clearly don't comprehend the purpose of the board and of debate. if you have an opinion, you will have to demonstrate it in detail and give evidence for why you hold it... even if it is logical or biblical evidence and not "factual" evidence.

if this is the case, then following the bible in any form is foolish because it is in human language and ascribes human qualities to god. if this is the case, then our consciousness and our understanding cannot describe god at all or know him, and there is no point to your discussion. however, the bible says that mankind is made in god's image. his means that god took himself and split it into charachteristics and gave these to the human creatures he created. he says himself he is love and jealous and such things.either you can comprehend god in human terms or you can't. and if you can't, then the bible cannot be a guide and jesus cannot be your god if only because the bible says he is wholly man as well as wholly god. if you can't comprehend god in human terms, he cannot be wholly man.and, i don't think god views us as ants, nor do i know where you got that idea from. he made us to be his companion, but that doesn't mean he has to be nicey-nice all the time.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.