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Topic: truth preserving logic?(value of human life)
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Trump won 
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Message 1 of 151 (335986)
07-28-2006 8:19 AM
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p1: Things that are of value can be taken away p2: Human life can be taken away p3: Human life is valuable Do you think this argument is truth preserving? If not, can a truth preserving argument for human life valuable be made? I appreciate your insight. Edited by -messenjah of one, : misword Edited by -messenjah of one, : typo
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Message 3 of 151 (335989)
07-28-2006 8:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
07-28-2006 8:23 AM
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Is there then a way for establishing an argument for the value for human life in a truth preserving fashion?
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Message 6 of 151 (335993)
07-28-2006 8:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Brian
07-28-2006 8:38 AM
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Problem being is over subjectiveness of the researcher.
I regretfully resign that I understand and know this and I had predicted the outcome of my question before I asked.
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Of course no one is completely objective, but if you at least try it and look at how many humans treat other humans then you would have to conclude that human life isnt really all that valuable. Even looking at Israel today. Murdering over 300 innocent civilians because a terrorist group has kidnapped 2 soldiers is an appalling disregard for human life. Look at other countries, Rwanda, or China, history is littered with examples.
Now you know the solution to this Brian? Complete and utter altruism. One must forgo his animalistic tendencies and become selfless. To act only on second order volitions to help others, not on first order desires. My basis for this? The categorical imperative one and two, Christ's famous words of love one another. Edited by -messenjah of one, : emphasis Edited by -messenjah of one, : typo of bold word
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Message 8 of 151 (335998)
07-28-2006 8:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by nwr
07-28-2006 8:48 AM
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Pure altruism doesn't work for those that value their own life over others.
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Message 10 of 151 (336000)
07-28-2006 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Brian
07-28-2006 8:52 AM
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I listen to folk music and John Frusciante mostly. Blues doesn't really do it for me. And for you to assume that I am in a state of turmoil to hold this position is weak.
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Message 11 of 151 (336001)
07-28-2006 8:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Brian
07-28-2006 8:52 AM
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PS: the fact that the Buddha said those words 600 yrs earlier makes them in no way less valid
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Message 13 of 151 (336006)
07-28-2006 9:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Brian
07-28-2006 9:03 AM
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My environment. I wasn't raised in the East.
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Message 15 of 151 (336008)
07-28-2006 9:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Brian
07-28-2006 9:13 AM
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I would reply after 11am but I realize your enlightenment takes consequence over my dire business.
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Why do you think human life is valuable?
Human life is valuable for a whole array of reasons, after I complete a paper I am producing on the subject, I will outline why. Give me 10 mins. Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed quote Edited by -messenjah of one, : smile
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Message 17 of 151 (336048)
07-28-2006 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Brian
07-28-2006 9:13 AM
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Sorry for the wait I had to hand in a paper. Human life is valuable to me as a it is of no value to another. I believe in Rousseau's natural rights. When one is killed unvoluntarilly it denies them their natural rights.
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Message 19 of 151 (336068)
07-28-2006 1:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Brian
07-28-2006 1:03 PM
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It means valuing human life is a subjective belief. I'm interested in seeing how you are going to support your claim that Jesus Christ doesn't support natural rights. I find that statement untrue. Edited by -messenjah of one, : No reason given.
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Message 21 of 151 (336077)
07-28-2006 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Brian
07-28-2006 1:34 PM
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Re: Egyptian children
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The first born child of every man living in Egypt was struck down by Jesus, and I don't think those little babies volunteered. What do you think?
Read Matthew 5 when you have the chance. That was not Jesus.
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Message 24 of 151 (336083)
07-28-2006 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Brian
07-28-2006 2:16 PM
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Re: Egyptian children
I believe Jesus Christ is God.
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Message 27 of 151 (336087)
07-28-2006 2:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Brian
07-28-2006 2:37 PM
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Re: Who is speaking in Exodus 12?
It's not Jesus Christ. Your posts are very funny. In a good way.
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Message 29 of 151 (336090)
07-28-2006 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by Brian
07-28-2006 2:53 PM
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Re: Who is speaking in Exodus 12?
A wrong depiction of Jesus Christ as outlined in Matthew 5. Edited by -messenjah of one, : sentence structure
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Message 31 of 151 (336094)
07-28-2006 3:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Brian
07-28-2006 3:06 PM
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Re: Who is speaking in Exodus 12?
I don't think it is Jesus Christ
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