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Archer Opteryx
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Message 115 of 167 (351793)
09-24-2006 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Dr Adequate
09-24-2006 8:56 AM


The Odyssey of a Text (off topic)
An off-topic appreciation.
Dr Adequate:
Was that reply computer-generated or something?
Few people appreciate the craft evident in a Brad McFall post. Each text is laboriously typed into Microsoft Word and spell checked using the romanized Sanskrit dictionary. The word order of the entire text is then randomized. The result is then taken to Alta Vista's Babelfish where it is translated first into Japanese, then into Swahili and French. Every fourth word is then removed and replaced with phrases randomly selected from an online journal article dealing with the appearance of chytrid fungus in dead adult Leptodactylus ocellatus. The word order of the entire text is then reversed. Another trip to Babelfish translates the text first into Russian, then Korean, Hindi and Portugese. Random words are then inserted at irregular intervals from a 1948 US Army Corps of Engineers survey of erosian features in Butte, Montana and the ingredients label on the back of a box of Betty Crocker® Premium Chocolate Fudge Frosting mix. The whole is then grammar checked in Vietnamese and spell checked in Latin, then posted online.
It's a thing to behold.
Sorry Archer. I even gave you a POTML for this one. However...
Edited by AdminQuetzal, : Off topic

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 138 of 167 (352750)
09-28-2006 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Nimrod
09-28-2006 2:56 AM


Reality check
MightPlaceNimrod writes:
Creation already can be taught by teachers (I suppose there is a small chance of a student telling his parents and then a protest).
Creation cannot legally be taught in American public schools--least of all in the science classroom.
Any teachers who try this operate outside the law. They gamble with their careers and the resources of their entire school system. The problem is not 'a small chance of a protest,' as you say. It is the virtual certainty of a lawsuit, which the teachers of creation would lose.
As an idea divine creation can be discussed in a nonsectarian manner within humanities classes (philosophy, comparative religion, literature, mythology). Students can use the subject as a personal theme to their heart's content in the work they do for arts and creative writing classes.
But supernatural ideas cannot be taught as science. The courts have been firm on this. Supernaturalism is inherently nonscientific. Legally it represents 'an inherently religious concept' that violates the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo repair.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 144 of 167 (352804)
09-28-2006 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Nimrod
09-28-2006 9:28 AM


Re: science education
MightyPlaceNimrod:
Teachers arent there in classrooms to just to read from the textbooks.Their commentary (critical and non-critical)is what makes them what they are.
Indeed. It's interesting that recent 'teach the controversy' moves have been defeated on exactly this point.
Anti-evolution activists, reluctant now to mention ID, have tried to alter the language of science standards to say things like 'problems with the theory of evolution will also be discussed in the interest of promoting critical thinking.'
The proposed changes lose when science teachers come forward and say they already have the freedom to discuss any problems that exist with any theory.
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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