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Author Topic:   Are creationists returning to their YEC roots?
sidelined
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Message 27 of 167 (350259)
09-19-2006 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by GDR
09-19-2006 2:35 AM


GDR
He even invented the idea that we have memes without any scientific evidence for them.
As with any new idea the hypothesis is invoked to offer a tentative explanation for an observed pattern and ,hence, is scientific.
That memes are succesfully employed to aid in explaining cultural proclivities is invalidated in what way in your view? Can you offer a better model to show that the concept of meme is incorrect and thus wrong? You attack Dawkins idea of memes because you say that it supports his atheism yet fail to elaborate on your assumption. If the world we investigate supports Dawkins position and you disagree because you feel that God has a hand in it then you must take up your disagreement with God and quit executing a arguementum ad hominem against Dawkins.
If Dawkins is successful in positing a natural means of explanation to account for the multi dimensionality of human culture and transmission of ideas and is succesful in doing so, you will not tear apart the validity of the hypothesis by attacking the man but only by showing the inability of the idea to account for these cultural activities we have.
Richard Dawkins regards evolution and sees random chance and natural selection whereas Francis Collins regards evolution as the handiwork of God.
However, Richard is fully capable of giving an account of how random chance and natural selection are sufficient and in most cases necessary to explain the world we observe while Francis Collins offers only his belief that it is otherwise.
Since the facts tend to support Dawkins empirically one must wonder why a God would put roadblocks in the pursuit of evidence for its existence. Since the contention that a God exists is not demonstratable you cannot hold a position that the world need be created by God{ though you are free to consider it on as a matter of faith} since you have neither logical nor empirical support for your contention.
You seriously have to offer a far greater standard of arguement to be convincing because the philosphical notions that anyone has are not made more ,but less, viable by ignoring the facts of the world as we observe them.

Dear Mrs Chown, Ignore your son's attempts to teach you physics. Physics isn't the most important thing. Love is.
Best wishes, Richard Feynman.

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sidelined
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Message 44 of 167 (350416)
09-19-2006 4:45 PM
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09-19-2006 2:42 PM


Re: YEC is just as scientific as memes
GDR
As nosy has said this is off topic and should be halted. That said however I will endevour to put together a thread seperate from this one to discuss. I will try my best to put this together as soon as possible but I am in a quite maddening game bureaucratic chess with the provincial government so please be patient while I try to find the time.

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