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Chiroptera
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Message 48 of 167 (350681)
09-20-2006 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by mick
09-20-2006 4:26 AM


Re: ID in philosophy class
quote:
Philosophy classes are already underfunded and overstretched, so its a shame they might have to boot out Plato in favor of this junk.
Most US public schools don't have a philosophy course. In fact, I've never even heard of one before now.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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Chiroptera
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Message 83 of 167 (351160)
09-21-2006 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by GDR
09-21-2006 6:49 PM


quote:
C'mon it can't be that hard to decide which is the more likely scenario.
I agree. We know of lots of things that are the result of the impersonal workings of the laws of nature. Some people only guess that some things are the result of a deliberative supernatural being, and the only reason to suspect the existence of this supernatural being is to explain phenomena that aren't understood.
So I'd say the most reasonable conclusion is that whatever the reason anything exists, it is not because a supernatural being caused it to exist.
But that is just my opinion. Others may have their own opinions.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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Chiroptera
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Message 85 of 167 (351176)
09-21-2006 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by GDR
09-21-2006 7:16 PM


quote:
The only thing that I would add is that it seems to me that your rejection of the supernatural is based on the premise that all phenomena does in the final analysis have a physical explanation.
Kind of. Except that the "premise" that all phenomena have a physical explanation is a conclusion I have reached based on what I have personally observed, and on my evaluations of the conclusions and claims of others.
Except that I don't necessarily believe that all phenomena have a physical explanation. The origin of the universe, which might also include the origin of time itself, is a concept that I have trouble even grasping in terms of the physical. I accept that the origin of the universe may not have physical explanation -- the universe may simply exist without any cause, for example. Unless we want to call "existing without cause" to be a physical explanation.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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