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Asgara
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Message 139 of 164 (178918)
01-20-2005 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Juhrahnimo
01-20-2005 10:25 AM


Just a nitpick....
But I'm not talking about brainwashed people. I'm talking about the FOUNDERS of a faith.
Marshall Applewhite, founder of Heaven's Gate WAS one of the identified dead in Rancho Santa Fe.

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Asgara
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From: Wisconsin, USA
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Message 154 of 164 (179187)
01-20-2005 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Juhrahnimo
01-20-2005 11:42 PM


Re: death of disciples
Juhrahnimo writes:
And they died for what they claimed to be true
Could you please give us some support for this statement. I have researched this in the past and could find nothing definitive.
All the stories I could find concerning this, talk of tradition or stories say; in other words hearsay.
Asgara writes:
Matthew — by tradition - either died by the sword in Ethiopia, or Persia, possibly 60ce, or was martyred in Egypt, or is unknown, or died of old age
Mark — by tradition — dragged by horses to his death in Alexandria, Egypt, possibly 68ce, or torn to pieces by a mob
Luke — by tradition — hanged in Greece between 75 and 100ce, or died of old age, or claims that no information is available
John — by tradition — survived boiling in oil, sentenced to the mines on Patmos — freed and served as Bishop in Turkey, died of old age in Ephesus 100ce or somewhere between 98 and 117ce. — his banishment was either during the reign of Nero 54 -68ce or the reign of Domitian 81 — 96ce
Peter — by tradition — crucified by Nero in either 64ce, 66ce or 67ce
Paul — by tradition — either beheaded by Nero in Rome in 64ce, 66ce, 67ce or 69ce, or torn to pieces by wild animals
James, son of Zebedee — biblical — beheaded in Jerusalem 44ce
Thomas — by tradition — speared in either India or Persia 52ce or beheaded or shot by arrows while at prayer
James — brother of Jesus — by tradition - thrown from pinnacle of the temple, survived and beat to death in either 62 or 66ce
James — son of Alphaeus — by tradition — martyred in Egypt, crucified in Syria, stoned in Jerusalem, 62 or 60ce, one source told the same story of James brother of Jesus for this James
Philip — by tradition — either died a natural death or was martyred in Hieropolis in Turkey in 52 or 54ce. Possibly flogged, imprisoned and crucified
Thaddaeus — by tradition — martyred w/ Simon in Persia or Turkey possibly Mt Ararat by either arrows, a lance, crucifixion or beaten (or a combination) 72ce
Simon the Zealot — by tradition — either crucified or hacked to death or sawn in two in either Persia, Georgia, Iberia, Samaria or Lincolnshire in either 61 or 74ce
Andrew — by tradition — was either crucified or bound to death in Asia Minor in either 74ce or on November 30, 60ce
Judas Iscariot — biblical — either hanged himself or fell and burst open 34ce
Bartholomew — by tradition — whipped to death, flayed and beheaded, beaten and crucified and beheaded, or just speared in either Armenia, Russia or India 52ce
As you can see, I found no real references for any of this information. If anyone has some historical reference for any of the reported deaths, I would be interested in reading it.
This message has been edited by Asgara, 01-20-2005 23:01 AM

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