CrashFrog vs. Juhrahnimo: A friendly discussion

I Think I should apologise for perhaps overstating how we will know if these things be true, if we try it. I do beleieve we will, but I think I made it sound a little like it was a sudden thing. In these threads, in fearing the axe of the moderators, sometimes there is a pressure to keep real short some things you know they hate talking about (God). Couple this with a little of the 'dj syndome'- where you kinda want to 'light up the boards' by stating some points in as colorful, and strong a light as we can, so as that it will get attention.
If a child was brought up in the faith, and had a nourishing upbringing, normally we would think they would have a fair bit of faith, which, after all comes from "hearing, and hearing by the the word of God". I was a teen when I got saved, and felt no noticable effects for quite a while. Others told me they had dreams, visions, prophesies, tongues, etc, so I felt quite inferior in some ways. As I look back, though, I can see a long line of miracles, and a growing confidence in the reality of the spirit world, and heaven. I hate to admit it has been about 30 years now. When I first prayed it was like 'God, if there is a God, come into my heart, if I have a heart' type thing. Now, I know deep down He is that great spirit of Love that made everything. I can't imagine a world that is anything else but say, grade 1, and merely a place we learn some things, and make certain progress, etc. Eternity is what I look forward to. A place where we can fly, walk through walls, love the girls all day, learn great cosmic mysteries, enjoy life, work at things we really like, (and that acomplish a lot of good), right all wrongs, etc. So, yes, I do believe He will show us He's real. I do know there has been, and is, a world of healings, and miracles. I guess it takes more time in some cases. Being "born again" like being born the first time, takes a while to see and understand things.

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Well, no, there's not. There's perhaps accounts of those accounts - maybe - but none of the authors of the Bible were eyewitnesses, or claimed to be

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Well, Jesus on the cross told John to take care of Mary, His mother. There were all kinds of people watching this thing. Also, after He arose, He appeared unto many. Sometimes by the roomfull, walking right through the door or wall! Then He hung around was it a month or 40 days or so after He rose, and then, as He flew up into the clouds, many watched Him do it. He even gave em a few goodbye words. (in like manner I shall return. from the sky) Besides Him, many of the old testament people rose from their graves as well and appeared unto, "many". Paul the apostle missed a lot of the action, but managed to be an eyewitness as well, cause Jesus Personally came in some quantum fluctuation or something, and appeared to the former christian slayer and tormentor! This is one eyewitness who got sore eyse as a result, however, but did manage to get top billing in the eternal hall of fame, by getting his name carved right into the aprox 6000 mile long, 25 story high wall of heaven, that are made of precious stones, like diamonds, and rubies. 12 layers, each layer about 2 stries high, and on which the 12 famous 'pearly gates are located. So, eyewitnesses? You bet you life.

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Who weren't there. Whose earliest accounts still weren't written until some 60 years after the events they describe. Whose later accounts are based not on testimony but on the earlier Gospels.

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John was at the cross, and also one of the first to see Him risen, as he outran another guy to get ahead first. This is the guy they later tried to boil in oil, but he wouldn't die, so they stuck him on a lonely island, where he wrote the greatest revelation, that closes the bible, the one that deals so much with our time.
-Now, (jeronimo), I hope I heard you wrong, and you weren't backpeddling, or trying to fuzz out the heart of the new testament, that we were witnesses, and, then, to tell the good news all around.

My mistake, sorry. I thought you agreed there were no witnesses, but had it wrong, Seems like you're on top of this thread, so I'll scoot.