Every evolutionist has a chance to win $250,000

Mate I`m from Harlow in Essex and my dad is from Tottenham...Probably wouldn`t be frowned on now my old school just got a a new headmaster and he sounds like as much of a nut as your old head....

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Originally posted by mark24:
Spurs are on their way to Wembley,
The boys are gonna do it again........

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Mark

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How are they doing this year? I heard they were mid-table....

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Originally posted by mark24:
They were about 4th (one week only), which is good these days, slipped a bit, about 8th, still better than recent years, though. They even beat Man Utd on goal difference at one point, but alas, didn't last long.

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As long as Arsenal don't win the league

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(apologies if you're a Gooner)

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Mark

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Don`t worry mate I acquired a genetic predisposition towards spurs from my dad....And hey 8th is pretty good what about the cups?

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Originally posted by mark24:
IPSWICH!!!!!!!

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This must surely constitute direct evidence of there being no God.......
IPSWICH!!!!!!!

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That or he`s a gooner.....Better off being an atheist in that case.....

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Originally posted by schrafinator:
What has he said that is outrageous??

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"I heard a man give his testimony who manages a mental institution. He told me that the government pays him to keep 60 percent of his beds
empty."

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-Dr Dino

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That is a probably a good thing for Mr Hovind.....

Here's one for you PercyA mathematics professor named Hall,
Possessed an octagonal ball.
The cube of its weight,
Divided by eight.
was 9 times the root of sod all....

From:
http://www.aps.org/apsnews/11855.htmlCole's Lost Soul
by A. P. FrenchThere was a young fellow named Cole
Who ventured too near a black hole.
His dv by dt
Was quite wondrous to see
But now all that's left is his soul.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
2) Hubble redshift
--There are many explanations of the hubble redshift while little is known about it creationist cosmologists have the interperetation on the causes of the red/blue shifts. One possible explination is the 'stretching of the heavens' as it indicates in the bible, as it is believed the physics of the red shift is a cause of a sort of 'Doppler effect' in light. (I`m no cosmologist though!)

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You got that round the wrong way bud the Doppler effect causes the red shift....Any idea where I can read a good scientific account of this stretching of the heavens?

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
Yes I am aware of that, I should have emphesized, I was making you aware that I am familiar with the red shift as well as the existance of the blue shift.

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But bud you got the causal relationship round the wrong way. A causes B is a different statement to B causes A.

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What would you mean? This was a reference from the bible as it says all through it that when God created the heavens he 'streched' them. I guess a scientific account would be the theory of an expanding universe.

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Ah so is that where we are to look for scientific accounts of phenomena from a creationist standpoint? A religious tract?You said that the Hubble red shift could be explained (to tie in with a special creation ex nihilo 4,500 years ago presumably) by a stretching of the heavens. Since current cosmological models based on an expanding universe give an age of somewhat more than 4,500 years please explain where I can read about this stretching of the heavens as a scientific theory.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
The point being simply, Evolution by common descent is not fact, it can only be theory, it 'can only be' theory.

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In the same way as gravity can only be a theory....

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
Not exactly, because Evolution by common descent, has not been observed, gravity can be observed to its fullest at any time, without waiting thousands of years to see changes. Evolution does have evidence, but most of its most valuable evidence are indirect evidences.

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But it is still not a fact (and never can be) under the definition you creationists use.....

Just noticed this....

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Originally posted by schrafinator Quoting Dr (snigger) Dino:

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"Could it be that people accept evolution because [....] They know that evolution is the only philosophy that can be used to justify their
political agenda of:

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i. Communism
ii. Racism
iii. Abortion
iv. Nazism
v. Socialism
vi. Gay rights
vii. Women's liberation
viii. Extreme environmentalism
ix. Euthanasia
x. Pornography
xi. Humanism
xii. New Age Movement"

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What has he got against womens lib?And I guess he feels that the golden rule is the work of the devil.....Damm jumped up, male chauvanist, self cenered idiot........

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
I must be a new breed in the evolution of YEC's.

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No TC you have yet to support any of your beliefs with a well reasoned internaly consistent theory complete with evidence...Untill you do your still very much in the theological considerations are paramount club.....