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marc9000 Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
We do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic where the rule of law dominates not the rule of emotions. Everyone knows that. But the Democrats sure talk about it a lot when it suits them, like their never ending efforts to get rid of the electoral college. They just don't like the subject of democracy brought up when it doesn't suit them.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
So you are ok with spreading lies and spouting unsupported bullshit? The justices are not unelected. No they are appointed, and all of the Colorado ones were appointed by Democrat governors. They do have to have retainment elections. A lot easier than winning an election initially.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8705 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Again you confuse your demented view of democracy with the rule of law. Your specter of the electoral college is just a smokescreen. You want to destroy the rule of law for a Trump dictatorship.
You're a traitor to American society.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8705 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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No they are appointed, and all of the Colorado ones were appointed by Democrat governors. Thus the operations of a society of law. You don't like the law? In a nation of law you change it. You don't violently rebel and demand your own way.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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Yes we do live in a democracy. A republic is a type of democracy. It is not direct democracy it is representative democracy.
The U.S. Is Both a Republic and a DemocracyWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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They are elected. You are wrong. Nice shifting of goal posts. None of the US Supreme Court members are elected, so their decisions are illegitimate?
Edited by Theodoric, : spelling Edited by Theodoric, . What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 23127 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
marc9000 in Message 310 writes: Do you believe this action by those 4 unelected judges is a victory for democracy? Is the term "democracy" being re-defined? As has already been explained, supreme court justices in Colorado are appointed to the bench for a 2-year period, after which they have to face a retainment election, but it sounds like you believe that appointed judges are undemocratic. The reality is that there are both red and blue states that appoint their supreme court justices. Here's a table of how judges in each state become seated on the supreme court sorted by method. The "tnc" in "Governor appoints tnc" stands for "through nominating commission":
As you can see, the governor appoints the justices in 13 blue states and 12 red states, with blue and red indicating how the state went in the 2020 presidential election, but the states move back and forth. For example, New Hampshire and Arizona voted Republican in 2000. The justices of the Supreme Court of the United States are also appointed, then approved by the Senate. Were the Heller decision (right to possess firearms is unconnected to service in a militia) and the Dobbs decision (no constitutional right to abortion) undemocratic because the justices were not elected? You might want to reconsider your criteria for what constitutes a democracy. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 23127 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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marc9000 writes: No they are appointed, and all of the Colorado ones were appointed by Democrat governors. And all of the Florida supreme court justices were appointed by Republican governors.
They do have to have retainment elections. A lot easier than winning an election initially. Florida also has retainment elections. Your claim has no rational basis. Whatever criteria you think up for judging a governmental branch or body undemocratic will be true of both political parties when considered across all the states. Gerrymandering? Both parties do it. Appointing judges of their own party to the courts? Both parties do it. Passing legislation favorable to supporters? Both parties do it. Organizing slates of fake electors? Both parties...oh wait, not that one. Only Republicans do that. --Percy
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You don't like the law? In a nation of law you change it. You don't violently rebel and demand your own way. Like the BLM riots of May and June of 2020? Far more people killed, far more money in damage than January 6th. Pretty well forgotten now, it got about .000001% of the mainstream media news coverage than does January 6th.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theocoric writes:
The justices are not unelected. marc9000 writes: No they are appointed, and all of the Colorado ones were appointed by Democrat governors. They do have to have retainment elections. A lot easier than winning an election initially. They are elected. You are wrong. https://www.nbcnews.com/...rimary-ballot-colorado-rcna130583
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
marc9000 writes:
Do you believe this action by those 4 unelected judges is a victory for democracy? Is the term "democracy" being re-defined? As has already been explained, supreme court justices in Colorado are appointed to the bench for a 2-year period, after which they have to face a retainment election... Who explained it? Theodoric?
but it sounds like you believe that appointed judges are undemocratic. They are when they try to interfere with a presidential election! Convicting someone of a crime that he hasn't even been charged with, let alone convicted of by any court of law.
The reality is that there are both red and blue states that appoint their supreme court justices. Here's a table of how judges in each state become seated on the supreme court sorted by method. The "tnc" in "Governor appoints tnc" stands for "through nominating commission": I understand all of that. It just seems quite strange that the recent battle cry from many Democrats is that "Trump wants to destroy democracy!!!!", and then they do this unprecedented court ruling that destroys democracy. It's true that not all Democrats did that, only four activist ones, but they are getting a lot of cheers throughout the Democrat base. Cheers for a thwarting of Democracy.
You might want to reconsider your criteria for what constitutes a democracy. And Democrats might want to reconsider accusing Trump of wanting to destroy democracy, then TURNING RIGHT AROUND and cheering when one of their own destroys democracy. The good thing is, two can play this game. Actually more than two, if the Colorado ruling holds up, four states so far are considering removing Biden from the ballot for allowing a hostile invasion at the southern border. https://abc3340.com/...ry-mcgarr-r-pima-co-donald-trump-2024
quote: Also Texas; Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick floats taking Biden off state ballot after Colorado Trump ruling
quote: I really hope the SCOTUS reigns in the arrogant Colorado court, before this all gets out of hand, and it becomes 1860 all over again.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
marc9000 writes:
No they are appointed, and all of the Colorado ones were appointed by Democrat governors. And all of the Florida supreme court justices were appointed by Republican governors. But those Florida appointed ones haven't tried to stop Florida voters from voting for the presidential candidate of their choice, have they?
Your claim has no rational basis. Whatever criteria you think up for judging a governmental branch or body undemocratic will be true of both political parties when considered across all the states. Gerrymandering? Both parties do it. Appointing judges of their own party to the courts? Both parties do it. Passing legislation favorable to supporters? Both parties do it. Organizing slates of fake electors? Both parties...oh wait, not that one. Only Republicans do that. Telling voters they can't vote for the presidential candidate of their choice, both parties.....oh wait, not that one. Only Democrats do that. SO FAR. "We must fight back".
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1536 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Do you know who your state rep Cory McGarr is? Will you calmly accept it as the rule of law if he stops you from voting for Biden in 2024?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8705 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Like the BLM riots ... Smoke and mirrors on the wall, this wasn’t part of the topic at all. When your facts are lies and your losing the fight, blow smoke and mirrors to hide from the light. Show that intellect, Marc. Keep up the rep.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8705 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Do you know who your state rep Cory McGarr is? Yes, I know the budding nazi. You fit right in. He can't stop Biden. Your ultra-right wing republican cabal does not dictate in this state. We live by rule of law and there is no law, like the 14th Amendment, that would authorize such an action against Biden. Trump is an insurrectionist, we have a court ruling declaring so and a law to disqualify him based upon those crimes. Rule of law, marc. Your boy's going down.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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