The Trump Post-Presidency and Insurrection

I still think asking why we hate Trump was the wrong question, because it implies irrationality and/or emotionality.A better question is why we think Trump is a seriously flawed person and a bad leader for the country, and there was no need for Phat to ask this question because we've been very explicit and detailed about Trump for years. But this is what Phat does, ask the same question over and over again, no matter that it's been answered many times.In more general terms than the reasons you provided, Trump is a venal, vicious, immoral, amoral, malevolent person who wants to be dictator. He's also a Pied Piper who can influence large numbers of people to follow him no matter what he says or does. That very few Trump followers think he has ever done anything wrong, whether it be January 6th or hoarding government documents or cheating in his business dealings or sexually abusing women, is testament to his persuasive powers.The only proper stance about wrongdoing is that people who do wrong should be held accountable. It shouldn't matter whether they were Democrat or Republican or Mother Teresa, the same rules and standards should apply. If Biden sexually harassed Tara Reade he should be held accountable. If he peddled influence to foreign powers he should be held accountable. If Hunter Biden committed criminal acts he should be held accountable.And if Trump committed criminal acts then he too should be held accountable. This isn't rocket science.That doesn't mean achieving the right outcomes is easy, but knowing what's right is very easy. As Robert Fulghum said, it's what we learned in kindergarten, but nearly half the country seems to have forgotten those lessons.--Percy

The reason that I re ask many of the same questions is because not only am I unimpressed with the quick answers...I think that many of you can think and go deeper. (Many of you would expect the same from me) Im not pro Trump. I saw the detailed list of chrages against him and I fully agree that he needs to answer those charges. I also think he has tainted any credibility to run again. What I still dont understand, however, is comments such as "Can we take his retirement?"...Democrats think that the government should control our money and I will forever disagree with this.Government is of by and for the people...ALL of the people...and some of us want a smaller government who has no authority over every dime we own...(as if they always owned it)

Once the question has been answered in detail multiple times, how many more times do you need? You are many things you deny being. And there's the pre-January 6th efforts to overturn the election by forming fraudulent delegate slates and lobbying state-level secretaries of state, the insurrection part of January 6th, the pressuring of the vice-president part of January 6th, the continual and ongoing claims of 2020 electoral fraud, the illegal business activities, and the sexual abuse. You know all this stuff, so why are you asking people why they have strong negative feelings about Trump? That's just basic human nature. The much more perplexing question is why you don't understand why people might say things like this about someone who's done as much to hurt the country as Trump has. Yeah, right, that's what the Democrats think. And the Republicans think children should have guns. You know how I know? I saw it on a YouTube video.--Percy

In a streaming TV show, I saw what should be the ideal punishment for Trump.
It was almost as if they had written that scene with Trump in mind.First a little background.One afternoon a couple decades ago on Turner Classics, they showed the 1940 John Wayne movie, Dark Command, with a panel of historians to discuss the film. The movie is ostensibly about Quantrill's Raid on Lawrence, KS, (AKA the Lawrence Massacre) on 21 August 1863 -- my great-great-grandfather was murdered in that raid and my great-grandfather, two years old at the time, escaped a fatal head wound by a very small fraction of an inch (so I nearly didn't make it here today).Instead of what had actually happened, the film depicted Northerners and Southerners living in the town divided by their differences successfully uniting against the common enemy, Quantrill, saving the town. This complete reversal of history prompted one member of the panel to observe that every period film is written for two different times: for the time the film is set in and for the present day. In the case of this film, its then-present-day purpose was to emulate what the nation would need to do as WWII was fast approaching: forget our regional differences and unite together to fight a common enemy.I keep remembering that historian's statement, especially at the end of the Amazon Prime series called Hunters:

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It follows a diverse band of Nazi hunters living in 1977 New York City who discover that numerous escaped Nazi officers are conspiring to create a Fourth Reich in the United States. A parallel plot element is the discovery of Operation Paperclip, the U.S. government operation relocating German scientists (many of them Nazis) to the U.S.

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  SPOILER ALERT!!!

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I am about to give away the final scene, so if you have not watched the series to the end then turn away now!

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SPOILER ALERT!!! [voice=Joan Rivers]Can we talk?[/voice]The end of the first season reveals that Hitler and Eva had escaped to South America where they are masterminding the Fourth Reich. At the end of the second season, Hitler has been captured and is put on trial.Throughout the trial, Hitler revels in all the attention that he's getting, but in the end he is sitting alone in his stark cell. When the guard shoves his meal plate through the hole in the door addressing him only by his number, Hitler cries out in anguish, "Weißt du nicht, wer ich bin?" ("Don't you know who I am?")Watching that, I remembered what that historian said. I think that the ending was meant to be a dig at Trump and his fate to be locked up for the rest of his life in anonymity. Like Hitler, Trump craves attention and recognition (more so even), so being reduced to a number that nobody takes any notice of would be a fitting punishment.

Wrong thread. Sorry

I happened to come across this today, so for reference here's the Trump election interference indictment: --Percy

Sidney “Kraken” Powell and Kenneth Chesebro have both taken plea bargains. That is not good news for Trump. Especially Chesebro.

Upon reading that indictment and summation, I can clearly see the case against Trump.Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.To the populist conservatives, many of whom I know and many who have and will continue to defend Trump, I can only say to move on. Trump is not the only choice for president.They would argue that he is what America needs to reclaim its greatness.I would ask incredulously "Really? Is THAT all you've got?"Whats sad is that no conservative can think outside that box.If we have to count on Trump to turn the country towards a better direction than wokeness, we cant count on Trump. He will promote more division.

The BBC has just reported that Jenna Ellis has also pleaded guilty.Who next ? Rudy Giuliani ?

Using the word "wokeness" is the division.Wokeness means knowledge you fucking asshole! So Trump is the fucking perfect spokesman for turning the country away from knowledge!

Define "wokeness".

You are still in thrall to your Trumpian masters.--Percy

Don't worry about wokeness, brother.It will not dawn on you.

CNN:

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A Washington, DC, jury has ordered Rudy Giuliani to pay nearly $150 million to two Georgia election workers for the harm caused by defamatory statements he made about them following the 2020 election.

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Ruby Freeman was awarded $16,171,000 for defamation and $20 million for emotional distress. Shaye Moss, Freeman’s daughter, was awarded $16,998,000 for defamation and $20 million for emotional distress. The jury also awarded $75 million in punitive damages to both plaintiffs.

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*nelson laugh*