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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
xongsmith writes: Any excuse to throw a party!
But wouldn't that deprive the rest of us a chance to form a cheering crowd lining the streets?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Crazy land? Isn't that the town that Mayor Pete used to run?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tanypteryx writes: When I read this, I had to find out what happened to the railroads. (Ask jar...im naive about a lot of basics) I don't remember them proposing anything that didn't intentionally fuck a bunch of Americans and line their own pockets. Do you remember them deregulating the railroads under Turd? I found this website: Rail Deregulation in the United States So I read:
Rail deregulation in the United States is a good example of how a policy shift can produce significant changes in the economic health of an industry, and how its structure may be changed.(...) So i'm thinking of my "Mayor Pete" comment and of how my conservative pro-Trump friend hates Pete. (regarding the chemical spill. ) This is all like being in class!
The Geography of Transport Systems: The article goes on to mention several key points, none of which I knew anything about prior to doing my research. Such as:
Being a Union guy, I was paying close attention when my source said
quote: Laying off people is an example of "fucking a bunch of Americans"...so im still trying to understand what deregulation even means. I DO vaguely remember something about Reagan and the air traffic controllers, and jar and I have discussed the deregulation of the power companies and utilities. But its all new to me.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
That is a long list but I will read it and note the implications. Was that an attack by Trump because he was Trump or was it backed by Conservatives in the interest of smaller government? Doesnt Trump use the euphemism of "draining the swamp"? Ive never really understood what pro Trump folks saw the "swamp" as representing. I *do* understand the concept of smaller government bureaucracy, but certainly not if it hurts people.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat hears what he wants to hear, creates the Jesus he wants, creates the God he wants, and then stops. We all tend to hear what we want to hear. You and ringo both accuse me of creating the Jesus whom I want, but I call bullshit. Jesus, if Jesus exists, showed up long before you or I were anything more than a glimmer in our Dad's eye. GOD, God, or god is a bit more complex. One can wander all over the map in the Comparative Religions classroom with that one! And why would I ever stop? If you manage to tie me up in a given argument, I always have ten more somewhere on the forum to pick up with and continue to think about. Answer me this. How often have you made an argument supporting what you don't want to hear or believe? Sometimes I think you want me to tell Jesus to get lost only so I have to work harder for my arguments!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZ writes: So who runs the universe in your mind? Electricity? The Big Electron? Religious thinking; a poison to humanity, a mainstay of the conservative mind. But lest we get too far off-topic I digress.
jar jar binks writes: No Comprende!
...the utter inability to think or comprehend
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes: I *do* understand the concept of smaller government bureaucracy, but certainly not if it hurts people. xong writes: What do you have against rich people? And how are they killing us? By exercising their right to keep what they have??? Now you may understand why I have no forgiveness for them. They are sadists, vicious greedy assholes who need to be gunned down before they kill any more of us. Lets do a bit of homework together. I will try and quote enough of this to arrive at a consensus.
What is the definition of “small government” according to the Republican Party? Among the best answers: Stack Exchange: Personally, I think that division in American Politics needs to end. Talking about throwing things away, we (the people) need to throw away both major parties and start from scratch. We can start with the GOP to be fair.
Do you have any ideas about what we should replace it with? Or could we simply have one party? Ringo says that Canada has five.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: No, I get the point. I suppose I shouldnt be afraid of the evidence. IF God exists, God exists regardless of any evidence that God does not exist. Shall I continue? And at that point, I jump ship and swim towards my belief. It is as warm and comfortable as a giant Teddy Bear. I refuse to critically throw away every comforting thought and belief that I hold. If it were somehow proven to everyone that God did not exist, I would find little comfort in this AI-infused politically diverse world. And I wouldn't trust nonbelievers.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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tough love from the old Texan! thanks
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Last night at work. We had numerous shoplifters. All of them were unique. There was no profiling. You have no idea what my job entails nor the challenge for a parent. I dislike racism more each day. So...a black man came in the store, I did not see him come in and I pay no attention to color when guests enter the store. It is late. 10pm. He comes up to me and says (out of the blue) y'all better quit watching us. I remained silent because I watch anyone whom I feel like watching and do not discriminate based on color or race. He starts arguing anyway, telling me he is a respectable businessman and not a thug and how Safeway (not I) was racist. He told me to tell my Boss. I said simply "yes sir" and kept working. So then, he engages me again....(initiating the argument). Again I tried to be polite. Finally I asked him "what are you so mad about?" At that exact moment, the fire alarm on the back door was triggered and someone (don't know who) left with what was later told to me a full cart of groceries.
Now, honestly, when people (of any color or race) steal, it does make me angry. Who do they think they are taking from my employer?| He left, grumblng about how he was going to talk to my manager. So here is my question to you, Theodoric. And I'm not trying to profile, but I think he distracted me while that cart packed up with groceries and left the store. Of course I could be wrong, and to accuse him of that would in fact be profiling. So I suffer in silence while the drug addicts, and tell the police to back off. Our store teaches us to be polite (equally polite and professional) to every customer no matter how they are dressed. And I do, to the best of my ability. Hey, I've seen white people steal. I've seen Asians or mixed races steal. Again, its not about color so I wonder why this guy was so pissed off. Footnote: A police officer came in and I was joking with him. I said, someday there will be drones pulling people over. What will society do then? Defund the Drones? The police officer was off duty by the way and not involved in any complaint with us. And my heart goes out to the homeless. It does NOT go out to organized crime rings that steal, sends people into the stores to steal, and then complain when we try and interrupt their business. Trust me, it happens. (I've never observed it personally, but I have my hunches.) I had a white-blond girl fill a cart to the brim with boostable items that normal people dont buy and then accuse me of offending her when I simply asked her for an ID. I felt really bad until the next day when she tried it again and got shut down by one of the managers. (we shut her down both times. She had stolen checks, it turned out.) Critics will accuse me of advocating more law and order and less compassion. You people run on a gas tank of pure feelings. Comments?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
When you fall back on totally meaningless Carny Barker and Snake Oil merchant phrases like "homeless cartel bosses, and woke activists" everyone here realizes you have found the answer you want from the source you like and completely stopped thinking. In what way have I stopped thinking? Tell me, Einstein. If you worked at a store and personally saw the same 20 people steal (you watched them leave with a full cart of Tide, for example) day after day after day, what else could you conclude except organized crime? I suppose that they could be "organized individuals" since they know precisely how to get away with their theft (and yes, it *is* theft, plan and simple!) and I also realize that the store has insurance mainly because they don't want anyone to get hurt and sue them. I said before that I feel for the homeless people that come in...in fact, many of us have been known to buy them a sandwich or a couple of meals BUT I am talking about repeat offenders who steal right under our noses because they know we can do nothing to stop them. Should I simply ignore this blatant social attempt to avoid working an honest job?Is anyone going to agree with me? If not, why am I the problem? What the hell do you propose that our society do in a way that doesn't hurt us? jar, addressing me writes: That's quite a list. Of course, I'm the bad guy. Kindly explain why.
You are pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable bigoted willfully ignorant, and dishonest.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK, fair enough. None of us want a police state, but we (many of my customers) see the merchandise leaving the store and nobody doing anything about it and it frustrates them because the higher prices are passed on to the consumer. Imagine if I told the customer that we need to support taxes to address the root causes, universal health care, higher minimum wages, universal child care, neighborhood mental health care, (and that) we need to reduce wealth disparity! They may wryly comment that the shoplifters themselves are reducing wealth disparity!! And the common reaction is that it is so unfair!
Higher taxes are not a popular topic with the working class. They might accuse the business that they patronize of being soft on crime. You seem to suggest that higher taxes and more social programs will magically change the survival mindset that has warped the lower class. Heck, they likely look at me as rich simply because I'm white or because I have a job, or because I don't just look the other way when someone steals. Maybe its the way that I was brought up and maybe the people who steal do so because of the way that they were brought up. Comments?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Elizabeth is a teacher in Ferguson, Missouri. She is one of but a few white teachers in an otherwise black school district. She and my sister are more liberal than I am and we rarely discuss politics. Elizabeth feels sorry for her kindergarten students and buys them school supplies out of her own pocket. Many teachers do the same thing.
She tells me that the problems with her students often start at home. there is a notable difference in cultural upbringing. We all are a product of our environment. My Dad used to get scolded by my Mother and Sister for acting like Archie Bunker. My sister accused her own father of being racist. He was but did not realize it I think.. The one incident that set my sister and Father apart was when she was 11. It was the Day MLK got shot and killed. It is embarrassing, but I will share it if you want.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Is there an upper class? Are you suggesting that morally and ethically we should be a classless society? And how does "wanting to survive" in any way justify stealing? Is not one of the commandments not to steal? Im just sayin. There is no "Lower Class" and only a pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable, bigoted, willfully ignorant, dishonest person would think there was a "Lower Class" or that wanting to survive warps someone. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK I will admit I lied. I did know roughly what a Gish Gallop was. Duane Gish and all that!
When I came to EvC in 1993, my main pastime was discussing religion and apologetics. I never cared much how the earth appeared.
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