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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
(I found a table over here in the back of the Coffee House where the old men hang out.)
I invite everyone here to first off welcome jar back to the forum and have a round of coffee(with Irish Whiskey?) to celebrate his return. I didnt really miss jar in the framework of debates (as he never let mine get off the ground) but I missed him as a member of the forum and am glad to see that he is healthy and hopefully well-rested. ringo and I go round and round and I have yet to win one of those arguments either. *Looks around table* I will say that ALL of you are unique in your debating styles and we all occasionally go off the rails and engage in personal attacks. I propose that in this topic, we stick to the arguments and be respectful of each other as much as possible. Forum Guidelines Recently, I noticed how more than a few topics here at the forum were skidding off the rails and becoming as free for all as a brawl at an NHL Hockey game! The impetus for starting this session was to get everyone at the same table (believers and non believers, Conservatives and Liberals alike) and hash it out without derailingother topics.
Phat, addressing Percy writes:
Do you believe in open borders? WWJD?Percy writes:
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WWJD? You have to ask? Render unto Caesar. Borders would mean nothing to Jesus. We are all God's children. Border's are Godless and artificial constructions of men.Theo writes:
CS Lewis was imperfect, but in a wold of free speech, he at least presented thoughtful arguments.
CS Lewis was a bit of a hack. Not sure why people think that his children's stories and apologetics are so great.CS Lewis's literary legacy: 'dodgy and unpleasant' or 'exceptionally good'? | CS Lewis | The Guardian Tangle writes:
But of course now I know it to be nonsense, just like you do. Only Catholics believe it to be the actual body of Christ. Crazy people.Dredge writes:
Personally, I take issue with your idea that Catholics are the only true church. I DO consider them Christians, however.
Dont go telling us that Jesus was non-binary! You have at least admitted that while on earth He was fully human, IIRC.
John 6:51--"I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."John 6:51-54 "Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the[e] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."Matt 26:26-28 So-called Christians who don't believe in the Real Presence aren't true Christians. Their watered-down version of Christianity is unbiblical, amateurish, erroneous and fake.jar writes: Were you in the marketing business, what type of "God" would *you* market, jar? How can there be any justification for judging anyone on what they believe? I agree that what we believe influences what we do, and I believe that is one of the worst things about Christianity as marketed in the US. The "Saved" and "Forgiven" and "Christ died to pay for my sins" marketing spiels are vile and evil. Edited by Phat, : fixed broken link The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar, I know that you are not back to go off on the numerous PRATTS that the forum has accumulated in your absense, but I just want you to know that I made this topic for anyone who feels a need to correct the erroneous logic of one of their fellow members and you can hijack this thread all you want!
Taq writes:
We atheists will point out that our universe is indistinguishable from one where there is no God.Dredge writes: I might ask Dredge if he considers believers as superior to non believers in any way and also pose the question to atheists. Do you (atheists) feel that you are smarter and more in touch with reality then are believers?
What makes you qualified to know what a godless universe looks like? Please explain how a godless universe differs from a universe that includes God.
If there was an all powerful God who claimed to love us then this is not the universe we would expect to see. That's the point.
The point is, you atheists ignore what the Bible says about Original Sin destroying the world that the first humans (Adam and Eve) experienced. You atheists also ignore the promise God makes in the Bible to provide a Paradise that his children will enjoy forever. Atheists like you simply don't want God to exist, so why bother inventing fake excuses to reject belief in him?The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Me and Trump??!! Why am I in that company?? Lest I react too much, allow me to read your article...
The Two Christianities and Their Problems: Im still reading this article! Great conversation starter. What worries me about Jesus Blue believers is that they even go so far as to throw Jesus away and hijack the message for the people...without need of a leader. A Headless Beast, as it were! The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Its so numerous I would never find it all without some effort
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
First of all, we have to come to a consensus about what Trump represents.
I've never voted for the guy. I DO know that he clams to want to control open borders, he wanted to help the small businessman rather than taxing the crap out of them which disincentivizes them from even wanting to run small businesses. He built a stronger military which keeps anyone from wanting to confront the United States. Oh, and he gave massive tax breaks to the wealthy, which was an unpopular move, though trickle down economics is akin to priming the pump. As I have said before, one needs a return on investment. The whole rising tides argument kills incentive and small business.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Well I wont argue. The Green Dots have spoken.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I suppose all of that explains why you are unafraid to "throw Him away". ringo has followed in your footsteps. He tossed out the "messenger" and (says) he kept the message.
I worry, though. Humans rejected Jesus and are continually developing a clever counterfeit. Thats just my belief and opinion, though.{watch ringo when he sees this! He will claim that it is I who reject the message and the messenger both!} What you guys fail to see about my beliefs is that even though I believe that Jesus exists in this realm, I am unafraid to question Him and even disobey at times. I DO have a fear of the reality that He knows, however.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: So? There are also many countries that we all would call socialist that are failing miserably. Venezuela is one example. I'd have to do my homework to find more, though im sure I could come up with a list. A lot depends on the attitude and mindset of the people who live there. There are many countries that you would call "socialist" that are doing better than the US.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Im well aware that the US is far from the "best" or "greatest" nation. Ive seen evidence of this in several statistical tables I have looked at. I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
You all will argue that I dont know what socialism actually is or what it means. I await this response.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Does a thought ever cross your mind? Occasionally. And you intercept some of them before I even recognize them. I'd just like to bring attention to the fact that ringo...unique among all of us...actually answers nearly every one of his opponents posts. I respect that. No wonder he has me beat.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
We are just mad because we are resisting the inevitable contraction of being a onetime global empire. You guys experienced the same contraction after WW II. You never had a Trump but you did have a Margaret Thatcher. In addition, you accepted the United States as your heir. We will NEVER accept a Communist China as our successor. This could be why the world is a mess.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK.
Tangle writes: So to be clear is your issue with Trump specifically or with "the side that does not wish to think it"? I believe I live in a pleural society that works with a balance of socialist and capitalist principles. As does the US, it's just that one side does not wish to think it. In defense of the side I am on, I will never accept any sort of government that prefers equality over freedom. Human nature will scuttle that boat every time.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Turn that statement around on yourself. Would you accept what you got? No matter what? You seem to frame your arguments as we vs me. I am we. You are we. We are we.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes: I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature. Taq writes: We wouldnt be better off without them.
Then explain how we would be better off without: 1. Medicare2. Social Security 3. Public Schools 4. Public highways 5. Publicly funded police and fire departments Theodoric writes: Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. Socialism that altruistically and blissfully ignorantly "raises all boats" is or will become a globalist socialist agenda. Yes, there is that term again...which all of you deny is happening. Just like every conservative he just wants the socialism that benefits him. I even asked ringo point blank in an earlier thread the following questions:
quote:I suppose it does no good to assign blame. Which is why I reject the whole reparations arguments as ultimately harmful more than helpful. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I told you before i'm in favor of limited socialist programs. Im not in favor of raising the tide on all boats. Its a pipe dream, and the middle class wont accept it.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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