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xongsmith
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Message 16 of 153 (905749)
02-02-2023 11:43 PM


Phat bitchslapped into oblivion
Wow Phat, do you ever think?

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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jar
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Message 17 of 153 (905751)
02-03-2023 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
02-02-2023 10:39 AM


maybe repeating often enough MIGHT get through ...
... but the evidence says No!
Phat writes:
Dont go telling us that Jesus was non-binary! You have at least admitted that while on earth He was fully human, IIRC.
But Jesus is not alive on Earth. Things that are not alive do not have a sex even if humans traditionally use such term. Ships are not female.
Phat writes:
Were you in the marketing business, what type of "God" would *you* market, jar?
Again Phat, we have covered this time after time after time.
GOD does not need to be marketed.
But all of the Gods and gods humans create do need to be marketed. And they exist only so long as they are successfully marketed.
Only those Gods and gods that humans create need to be marketed.

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ringo
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Message 18 of 153 (905757)
02-03-2023 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Phat
02-02-2023 4:05 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
I DO know that he clams....
You're making my point. Everything you say about Trump is what Trump says about Trump.
Phat writes:
The whole rising tides argument kills incentive and small business.
Another Trumpist lie.
There are many countries that you would call "socialist" that are doing better than the US.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 19 of 153 (905837)
02-04-2023 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by ringo
02-03-2023 10:50 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Well I wont argue. The Green Dots have spoken.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 20 of 153 (905838)
02-04-2023 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by jar
02-03-2023 7:21 AM


Re: maybe repeating often enough MIGHT get through ...
I suppose all of that explains why you are unafraid to "throw Him away". ringo has followed in your footsteps. He tossed out the "messenger" and (says) he kept the message.
I worry, though. Humans rejected Jesus and are continually developing a clever counterfeit. Thats just my belief and opinion, though.
{watch ringo when he sees this! He will claim that it is I who reject the message and the messenger both!}
What you guys fail to see about my beliefs is that even though I believe that Jesus exists in this realm, I am unafraid to question Him and even disobey at times. I DO have a fear of the reality that He knows, however.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 21 of 153 (905840)
02-04-2023 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by ringo
02-03-2023 10:50 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
ringo writes:
There are many countries that you would call "socialist" that are doing better than the US.
So? There are also many countries that we all would call socialist that are failing miserably. Venezuela is one example. I'd have to do my homework to find more, though im sure I could come up with a list. A lot depends on the attitude and mindset of the people who live there.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Tangle
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Message 22 of 153 (905842)
02-04-2023 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:35 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
Well I wont argue. The Green Dots have spoken.
The great thing about places like this is that they help you learn stuff. But you haven't learnt anything from this simple point have you? So you'll repeat your mistake in a week or so.
Have you checked whether ringo is right? How would you do that?
Suppose you googled an answer and you found a source showing that on several measures the US is not the great place you thought it was compared to more "socialist" countries, how would you check the source and how would you make yourself not just forget answer? Could you change your mind? Is it possible for your mind to be changed by information contrary to your beliefs?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 23 of 153 (905843)
02-04-2023 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Tangle
02-04-2023 11:46 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Im well aware that the US is far from the "best" or "greatest" nation. Ive seen evidence of this in several statistical tables I have looked at. I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
You all will argue that I dont know what socialism actually is or what it means. I await this response.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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ringo
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Message 24 of 153 (905847)
02-04-2023 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:35 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
The Green Dots have spoken.
In this case they're saying that I'm not the only one who noticed.
You seem to enjoy being the outlier. You like to think that you are right and everybody else is wrong.
I don't. I like consensus.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 25 of 153 (905848)
02-04-2023 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:38 AM


Re: maybe repeating often enough MIGHT get through ...
Phat writes:
watch ringo when he sees this! He will claim that it is I who reject the message and the messenger both!
That confirms that you don't read.
I HAVE said that you reject the message and turn the messenger into a cult of personality.
Phat writes:
What you guys fail to see about my beliefs is that even though I believe that Jesus exists in this realm, I am unafraid to question Him and even disobey at times.
Why would you be "afraid to question Him" when you've made Him up out of whole cloth? You've been very careful to make Him up with no requirements that you don't like.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 26 of 153 (905854)
02-04-2023 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:45 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
There are also many countries that we all would call socialist that are failing miserably.
A I have mentioned before, the US spent billions upon billions of dollars for decades upon decades to MAKE socialism fail, so it wasn't exactly an even playing field.
Phat writes:
Venezuela is one example. I'd have to do my homework to find more, though im sure I could come up with a list.
And you could do your homework to find out WHY those governments failed. You may find that it is not always because socialism is a bod thing.
Phat writes:
A lot depends on the attitude and mindset of the people who live there.
And on the mindset of the people who try to destroy them.
You COULD look at the successes instead of believing every word your right-wing handlers feed you.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 27 of 153 (905855)
02-04-2023 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:50 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
But socialism DOES work.
What are you going to say next? Man can not fly? Does a thought ever cross your mind?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 28 of 153 (905859)
02-04-2023 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
02-04-2023 12:33 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Does a thought ever cross your mind?
Occasionally. And you intercept some of them before I even recognize them.
I'd just like to bring attention to the fact that ringo...unique among all of us...actually answers nearly every one of his opponents posts.
I respect that. No wonder he has me beat.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 29 of 153 (905860)
02-04-2023 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
02-04-2023 12:38 PM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
I respect that. No wonder he has me beat.
What has you beat is the thinking between the posts. I have two hours of computer time and twenty-two hours of thinking time.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Tangle
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Message 30 of 153 (905861)
02-04-2023 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Phat
02-04-2023 11:50 AM


Re: Jesus red and Jesus blue
Phat writes:
I would, however, rather bash "socialism" than I would bash the US. Socialism wont work for one simple reason. Human nature.
So argue this point then. Can you make a a robust, reason-based argument against socialism?
And can you do it without first creating a straw man? Socialism isn't communism. On every occasion I've seen you pontificate about it you conflate the two. Here's a start
"Socialism and communism both place much value on creating a more equal society and removing class privilege. The biggest difference between them is that socialism is compatible with liberty and democracy, while communism depends on an authoritarian state to create an “equal society” that denies basic liberties"
Socialism vs. Communism - Definitions, Differences and Overview

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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