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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Then it should be possible to reproduce them experimentally. ...they look to me like they were formed by swirling water.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's consistent with your belief in a "super-genome" that became differentiated only after the Flood. Yes I believe a trilobite is a trilobite and that they had prodigious genetic diversity, different eyes and the works, one genome, lots of variability. So why didn't the trilobites survive the Flood?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's pretty much the same thing. Both ideas rely on something changing magically after the flood. I now explain the great genetic diversity before the Flood and therefore in the saved creatures on the ark, as due to the much less junk DNA, probably almost none, and therefore a lot more functioning genes. But the question remains: Why didn't the trilobites survive the Flood?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Like Trump, everything you do is the best that has ever been done, even when it's an abject failure. Reality be damned. And not only are you an amazing success but you also know who to blame for your failure. I don't need to convince diehard evolutionists in order to know if I've done a good job or not.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
In Message 2623 you said:
Nothing changed genetically after the Flood, what are you talking about?quote:So less junk DNA then, more junk DNA now. More functioning genes then, less functioning genes now. How is that not a change? And why didn't the trilobites survive the Flood?An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Then you have very low standards. But I also know I've done a basically good job of putting together the arguments for the Flood.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You're up against the evidence. And you're also up against the Bible. ... maybe I'm just up against a hidebound bunch of anti-dreationists.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And you're wrong on both counts. Mountains of evidence (literally) disproves your Flood and you can't explain any of it. And the Bible doesn't support your fantasy of repeated waves, volcanoes, etc. It's all in your head. Disagree on both counts.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
But you can't. You always run away from discussions of the Bible (as well you should because you wouldn't recognise the Bible if it sat down beside you in church). Keep up the silly one liners, ringo, I can answer you one for one. And you've proven in almost every post that you have no explanation for the evidence.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And yet you don't have the courage to stand up for what you think you know. By all means, let's discuss what the Bible says. I'm the only one here with the correct understanding of the Bible....An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
But you don't have near enough generations for a generic "cat kind" to differentiate into so many different species. (And bear in mind that we have descriptions of cats exactly like modern cats going back about as far as the supposed Flood.)
Yes that is a change, but it's a normal change due to microevolution, which would produce junk DNA over many generations. Faith writes:
There are a lot of species that superficially resemble trilobites but they're not trilobites. I've wondered myself why all the trilobites died out. But I did see somewhere that there is a land-adapted species of trilobite living today.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Exactly. If cats couldn't differentiate that much, how could other "kinds" with more variation?
Cats don't vary as much as some other animals. Faith writes:
Based on what?
But anyway there is certainly plenty of time for the creation of many different species of anything to have formed since the ark. Faith writes:
And yet we know that the Egyptians had cats just like ours 4000 years ago. They also had lions more than 3000 years ago. Lions were also mentioned in the Bible more than 2000 years ago. Your time line is actually much less than 4500 years.
4500 years is plenty of time to establish many such separated populations in different parts of the world, all splitting off from the original ark population and becoming reproductively isolated from all the other populations. Faith writes:
Merging races is the opposite of differentiating into races. Human beings probably only need a few hundred years in an isolated location to develop a characteristic racial appearance. I don't know how long, but only as long as it would take for the whole population to merge all their genes together through enough generations of marrying each other.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
So why didn't the trilobites survive the flood? The purpose of the ark was to preserve life. Why didn't it work? ringo writes:
Maybe. There are a lot of species that superficially resemble trilobites but they're not trilobites. ABE:
Faith writes:
You're stating it backwards: There are certain characteristics that identify a trilobite no matter how superficially it may resemble the others. I think there are certain characteristics that identify a trilobite no matter how superficially it may seem to differ from others. Edited by ringo, : Responding to Faith's edit.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
As I pointed out, they haven't changed at all in 4000 years. Cats seem to vary a lot less than other kinds.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That makes no sense. Why would God have such a stupid plan? The ark's purpose was to preserve land creatures; sea creatures had to fend for themselves. It isn't true either. God told Noah to take "every living thing of all flesh", clean and unclean (I'm assuming that trilobites were unclean).An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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