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jar
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Message 2411 of 2887 (832091)
04-29-2018 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2409 by edge
04-29-2018 4:24 PM


Re: There ain't no tectonic activity in the Flood Myths.
edge writes:
However, if all of the volcanism we see in the geological record occurred within just a 4ky time-frame that might merit a sentence or two in the Bible, yes?
Faith's position is far more absurd than even that. Remember that no matter which of the Biblical flood myths you want to use the whole thing only lasted less than two years. Now if all the volcanoes, the continents splitting, mountain building, reef moving, landscape scouring, Cliffs of Dover moving and general mayhem Faith tries to squeeze into that two year period actually happened it would really lay down a pretty easily recognized marker.
And that's what the early geologists thought they would find. But it didn't happen. Fortunately they were basically honest people and so Young Earth, the Biblical Floods simply got put into the fantasy pile where they belonged from the beginning.

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jar
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Message 2433 of 2887 (832117)
04-30-2018 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2430 by Faith
04-30-2018 12:31 AM


Re: Can't... keep... the... snark... restrained
Faith writes:
A pebble beach ...Tonto Sea... tore up the Vishnu ... causing ...schist and granite pebbles. I'm holding onto my eyes. How do you believe this absurd stuff? Really.
We see such things today. And they could not be created in only one year.
We can even see what happens to such structures over two or even three years.

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jar
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Message 2444 of 2887 (832129)
04-30-2018 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 2439 by Faith
04-30-2018 1:02 AM


Re: volcanoes
Faith writes:
The one thing I know is true is that the Biblical worldwide Flood did occur about 4500 years ago. Everything else has to be subordinated to that.
And how do you know that is true since not even the Bible gets the story straight?

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Message 2445 of 2887 (832130)
04-30-2018 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 2441 by Faith
04-30-2018 1:13 AM


Re: volcanoes
Faith writes:
The evidence that contradicts the Bible is wrong if the Bible is true and that's the end of that.
But Faith, the Bible contradicts the Bible when it comes to the flood.

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Message 2454 of 2887 (832139)
04-30-2018 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 2450 by Faith
04-30-2018 9:11 AM


Re: Limestones are very much mostly of biochemical precipitate origin
Faith writes:
Doubting the Flood is not an option for a Christian, and the Flood is a really good interpretation for all the fossils found all over the world.
Twice over wrong. Lots of Christians believe utter ignorance is not an option and thinking that the Flood is a really good interpretation for all the fossils found all over the world is a perfect example of utter ignorance. As a Christian I don't doubt the flood but rather understand that it is a plot device people used when creating morality tales and not anything that actually happened.

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jar
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Message 2460 of 2887 (832152)
04-30-2018 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2458 by Faith
04-30-2018 9:39 AM


Re: Limestones are very much mostly of biochemical precipitate origin
Faith writes:
Your views of the Bible represent a tiny minority of recent liberal ideas.
So you keep claiming but never offer anything but the dogma of your Cult in support of your position.

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jar
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Message 2483 of 2887 (832194)
04-30-2018 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2482 by Phat
04-30-2018 4:29 PM


Believing the Lie!
Phat writes:
The alternative is to claim that many if not most scientists are delusional. While it can be argued that many will believe the "lie" mentioned in
2 Thess 2:10-12 writes:
They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
If God really is "That which created all that is, seen and unseen" the the Lie would be believing the Bible which is written by Man when it conflicts with the Universe which was created by God.
It is Young Earth Creationists that will perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved and that are deluded so that they believe the lie and will be condemned for not believing the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

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Message 2495 of 2887 (832206)
04-30-2018 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2494 by edge
04-30-2018 9:27 PM


Re: Would the planet heat up too much?
Faith writes:
All those "joules" are really quite meaningless.
What Faith fails to understand is that those meaningless joules are actually reality while the Biblical Flood is a plot device created by ignorant writers.

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Message 2512 of 2887 (832226)
05-01-2018 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2502 by Faith
04-30-2018 11:53 PM


Re: Would the planet heat up too much?
Faith writes:
OK I can't call them wrong but they don't get to be right without being able to make it make sense to a nonscientist.
That's really stupid Faith. Reality wins even if you don't believe it is real. They are right even if you refuse to learn enough to understand the very basics.

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jar
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Message 2517 of 2887 (832232)
05-01-2018 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 2515 by Faith
05-01-2018 7:01 AM


Re: The fossils as evidence for the Flood
Faith writes:
I just want it acknowledged that it is as much evidence for my interpretation as for yours.
But once again, you are simply spouting utter nonsense. Fossils are NOT evidence for the Biblical Flood; rather the fossils are direct and overwhelming evidence that they did NOT die in some global flood and that has been explained to you a Brazillion times.
No flood can sort the biological, geological, radiometric, isotopic, cultural and chemical samples in the order found in nature and reality.
The fossils alone are sufficient evidence to conclusively state that no Biblical Flood ever happened.

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jar
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Message 2524 of 2887 (832239)
05-01-2018 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2523 by edge
05-01-2018 8:59 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
Also that almost every many geological columns ever taken on terrestrial surfaces will show both marine as well as terrestrial layers, and that's telling. Geological cores taken from the ocean floor though show almost all marine deposits which makes sense since the Ocean Floor is newer than any of the continents. The Continental cores show just what they should show if the conventional theories are correct; that the surface changes over time, sometimes dry, sometimes wet, sometimes freshwater lake, sometimes desert, sometimes saltwater marine intrusion.
Edited by jar, : I can't really say almost all because I don't know how many deep cores have actually been take, but I can strongly suspect it's a bunch.

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Message 2548 of 2887 (832265)
05-01-2018 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2538 by Faith
05-01-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Why would cultural Christians reject evidence if it existed?
Faith writes:
The mere abundance of dead things seen all over the world is in itself something one would expect of the worldwide Flood: it fits with what the Flood was intended to accomplish, and it fits with the ideal conditions afforded by such a worldwide inundation for fossilization.
That is total and utter bullshit Faith and why it is bullshit has been explained to you a brazillion times and it is only the dogma of your Cult that you present, not any evidence.
It is impossible for a flood to sort the samples found in reality in the order found in reality.
There was never a Biblical Flood!
That's fact and truth, Faith. Claiming there is evidence for the Biblical Flood is just lying and fantasy.

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jar
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Message 2559 of 2887 (832276)
05-01-2018 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2558 by Percy
05-01-2018 7:01 PM


Re: The fossils as evidence for the Flood
Remember that Faith's silly flood first kills everything but then piles miles of sediment on whatever died. She's stripping everything that ain't nailed down off in the very first 40 days so it's likely even the freshly dead get buried right at the start along with everything that's dense. Then after the 40 days all the less dense material will pile on so what we MUST see if the Biblical Flood happened is a bottom lair of corpsicals and dense big rocks and then gradually finer material until the top layer is the smallest, lightest stuff left.

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jar
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Message 2586 of 2887 (832311)
05-02-2018 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2585 by Faith
05-02-2018 7:00 AM


More utter nonsense from Faith.
Faith writes:
Oh well. The historical sciences are all unprovable mental conjuring.
That is really about as stupid a comment as it is possible to make and a common idiocy in the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
Change leaves evidence.
PERIOD!
Change leaves evidence!
Past changes left evidence!
Period.
Evidence of change exists!
Period.
You fools may refuse to understand but reality still exists.
Had the Biblical Flood happened there would be evidence yet NO such evidence exists.
Had Special Creation happened then there would be evidence yet no such evidence exists.
You can continue to remain ignorant or attempt to actually learn from all those here who have been praying for your enlightenment for over a decade.

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jar
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Message 2620 of 2887 (832360)
05-02-2018 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2619 by Percy
05-02-2018 8:33 PM


Re: The fossils as evidence for the Flood
True Dat, but in Faith's majic flood stuff doesn't get deposited in the oceans; it gets deposited on the continents.
And remember that in Faith's universe it is not just the sediments on land today but all the material above the Vishnu schist.

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