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Percy
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Message 219 of 309 (779419)
03-04-2016 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Faith
03-04-2016 12:29 AM


Re: So give us the conservative equivalent already and stop complaining
Faith writes:
Liberals obviously don't like the idea that PC is a recognizable system of attack against conservatives, but there isn't anything in conservatism that's comparable despite all the crybaby complaining about it.
Your own example includes your favorite fact-less attack against liberals, that they're PC, as if leveling the charge of PC is evidence of anything. It's just empty blather. If for example someone, anyone, levels the charge of racism against those who advocate singling out all Muslims or Mexicans for "special treatment," then the charge is not PC but truth, because singling out entire groups for hate and intolerance is the very definition of racism.
Rather than dismissing the charge with an, "Oh, you're just being PC," it must be explained how discrimination and hate against a group isn't racism. One would hope that most people would recognize racism when they see it, whether they're conservatives, independents, liberals, or apolitical.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 220 of 309 (779420)
03-04-2016 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
03-03-2016 5:53 PM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
Faith writes:
The point is the liberal thinking. It's a liberal thought pattern. It is not a conservative thought pattern. It is therefore something only liberals do, not conservatives. But the point is the thought not the person, and not all liberals indulge in it.
Translating, "PC is something some liberals do." If that's what you meant, then sure. Someone mentioned college campuses as an example of hotbeds of PC, and I bet if you asked liberals here to go down a list of examples of PC on campus in 2015 that they'd agree that they're good examples of PC language or behavior.
If you really believe that "PC is something some liberals do," then maybe you can rein in your knee jerk reaction of calling "PC" against nearly every liberal opinion.
--Percy

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Message 221 of 309 (779421)
03-04-2016 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Jon
03-03-2016 6:25 PM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
Jon writes:
didn't you just cast the accusation of "pretty much SOP for Liberal PC behavior...'without addressing any of the content?'"
Why would I address any of the content? This thread isn't the place to discuss gay speech patterns.
Oh, you wanted to stay on topic, so that made it okay to "make a harsh criticism of a liberal" without evidence or justification, the very thing you were claiming conservatives didn't do against liberals. I get it. The Forum Guidelines made you do it.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 240 of 309 (779492)
03-04-2016 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Jon
03-04-2016 5:56 PM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
Jon writes:
What is the 'content' you want addressed, Percy?
I never asked you to address the 'content.' I called attention to the irony of casting aspersions at liberals without any 'content', then saying it was something conservatives don't do. If that still isn't clear then you could try rereading Message 194 where I broke out all the relevant back and forth.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 247 of 309 (779522)
03-05-2016 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Jon
03-05-2016 10:08 AM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
Jon writes:
Please point out where I said this was 'something conservatives don't do'.
I don't understand where the problem is. I extracted the back and forth in Message 194, it seems pretty clear. Your exact words in Message 182 were, "Conservatives don't typically do this...", and they appeared right after you "did this."
This is taking way to many posts for what began as an offhand noting of irony. If you still don't see it then I'm going to stop replying. Sorry.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 254 of 309 (779540)
03-05-2016 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Jon
03-05-2016 11:37 AM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
Dissembling at its best.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 270 of 309 (779626)
03-06-2016 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Faith
03-06-2016 8:21 AM


Re: Definition of Political Correct
Faith writes:
The evidence is all on the thread for anybody with half a brain cell and the good will to follow the argument.
The problem with the kind of fact-free accusations that you frequently employ is that they're impossible to rebut without sinking to your level.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 290 of 309 (779696)
03-07-2016 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Blue Jay
03-06-2016 9:01 PM


Re: Real political correctness
Blue Jay writes:
I think we should all take this topic as more than just the paranoid delusion of right-wing loonies.
The topic is fine. I don't think anyone believes political correctness is "just the paranoid delusion of right-wing loonies." But one definition being promoted in this thread *is* "just the paranoid delusion of right-wing loonies."
Wikipedia defines political correctness like this:
quote:
Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct, commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term primarily used as a pejorative to describe language, policies, or measures which are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society; in pejorative usage, those who use the term are generally implying that these policies are excessive.
It also echoes things said here:
quote:
Commentators on the left have said that conservatives and right-wing libertarians pushed the term in order to divert attention from more substantive matters of discrimination and as part of a broader culture war against liberalism. They also argue that conservatives have their own forms of political correctness, which are generally ignored.
Unfortunately the Google Books excerpts of the book you referenced, Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well Intentioned Path to Harm, don't include its definition of political correctness, but it is clear they define it more broadly, and a broader definition seems appropriate.
I define political correctness as just normal, everyday social coercion. The natural human predisposition to conformity allows the opinion of any sufficiently large group to become the norm and thereby dictate proper opinion and behavior.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 302 of 309 (782122)
04-17-2016 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by LamarkNewAge
04-16-2016 6:14 PM


Re: My take on Donald Trump.
LamarkNewAge writes:
...the CIA's Inspector General said that 60 CIA agents (and the FBI) knew about Khalid Muhammad Abdallah al-Mihdhar and Nawaf Muhammed Salim al-Hazmi being in the USA for over a year (and their plans).
And their plans? No.
Trump knows that ISIS is CIA funded...
Trump "knows" many things.
...(he is good friends with Jesse Venture as he has been since WrestleMania 4 on March 27 1988)...
You say that like it's a good thing.
...and he is surely aware of Scott Bennett tracing the ISIS funding to over 1000 CIA Swiss bank accounts.
Trump is "aware" of many things.
Trump might be sincere in his anti-free trade views, but he isn't sincerely anti-immigration.
If he's not anti-immigration then he's a liar. Which we already knew, just not about that.
(truthfully the wall is almost there already and there is no practical difference).
A 30-foot wall? I don't think so. Or is he lying about wanting a 30-foot wall, too.
Trump is simply a Pro-Life liberal (with libertarian anti-war views) IMO.
You do realize, don't you, that your supposedly pro-Trump message is full of revelations about Trump lies?
I'll admit that I disagree with him on a lot of issues, but he is really awesome in my estimation.
He has an awesome schtick that shouldn't be let loose on the national stage, let alone the international.
--Percy

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