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Faith 
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Message 184 of 309 (779335)
03-03-2016 1:22 PM
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03-03-2016 11:29 AM


Re: A personal anecdote
I agree with you that YOUR version of Christianity fits best with the conservative point of view. Unfortunately, what you want to conserve makes your brand of conservatism self-disparaging.
You're taking the term too literally, not that it matters much I guess. Mostly I still accepted abortion and sexual liberation, including homosexuality. Both had to go because the Bible defines them as sin. Eventually it got me into creationism and the conservative view of American history.
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Message 186 of 309 (779354)
03-03-2016 4:16 PM
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03-03-2016 4:12 PM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
If you are going to keep on claiming that conservatives do the same thing with different words, I for one need to know what words you are talking about.

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Message 193 of 309 (779375)
03-03-2016 5:42 PM
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03-03-2016 5:35 PM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
I would like to know what words nwr had in mind, not you, but thanks anyway.
And PC does not characterize GROUPS, it characterizes a way of thinking that happens to be liberal/leftist.

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Message 196 of 309 (779378)
03-03-2016 5:53 PM
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03-03-2016 5:49 PM


Re: Stereotypical PC Pathetic Liberal Behavior
The point is the liberal thinking. It's a liberal thought pattern. It is not a conservative thought pattern. It is therefore something only liberals do, not conservatives. But the point is the thought not the person, and not all liberals indulge in it.

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Message 205 of 309 (779398)
03-04-2016 12:29 AM


So give us the conservative equivalent already and stop complaining
Liberals obviously don't like the idea that PC is a recognizable system of attack against conservatives, but there isn't anything in conservatism that's comparable despite all the crybaby complaining about it.
Instead of asserting endlessly that there is such a comparable conservative body of thought, it seems to me you should all be making an effort to say what it is instead of merely asserting it. Show that there is a SYSTEMATIC body of accusations that is used in a systematic and predictable way in response to liberals the way PC/Cultural Marxism is used against conservatives.
Nobody's even bothered to try to generate a list of terms. Go ahead, give it a try.
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Message 210 of 309 (779407)
03-04-2016 2:43 AM
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03-04-2016 2:19 AM


Re: So give us the conservative equivalent already and stop complaining
Calling liberals PC and Marxists are excellent examples of you throwing accusations and avoiding the issues.
That's pretty funny. I get called a bigot without justification, which I say is an example of a liberal PC/Cultural Marxist tactic, and your idea of what conservatives do that's similar to the PC accusation is to say "you called me a bigot, which is an example of a liberal PC/Cultural Marxist tactic."
Hilarious.

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Faith 
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Message 228 of 309 (779446)
03-04-2016 11:58 AM
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03-04-2016 10:41 AM


PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
That's the problem. You became "skeptical" of everything liberal and nothing conservative. You swallow everything hook-line-and-sinker on the Internet that's anti-liberal. That's exactly what's wrong with political correctness. You're doing exactly the same thing as the people you criticize.
I give myself more credit for thinking things through than that of course.
People are continuing to miss what political correctness is. Functionally it's a fictional explanation of something that is politically defined as the truth, and it happens to have Cultural Marxist explanations it wants people to believe, and it enforces its opinions with various degrees of violence, starting with the tongue lashing I keep getting from Theodoric here for almost anything I say.
I had an experience some years ago when a female physical therapist was working with my sister in law, I forget why, and something came up that caused me to mention that female muscles aren't as strong as male muscles and she lit into me as if I had committed a horrible crime against the female sex, for daring to suggest that female muscles are inferior to male muscles. Inferiority of course wasn't my point at all, but female muscles ARE weaker than male muscles, it's a simple fact, but she went on a PC rampage to enforce the fiction that female muscles are just as strong as male muscles, that left me too stunned to speak.
THAT's political correctness, a body of fixed opinion nobody is allowed to contradict on pain of getting at least a tongue lashing, even though it's usually a ridiculous fiction, and generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group. It's politically incorrect to suggest that women's muscles are naturally not as strong as men's.
Just as it's politically incorrect to suggest that homosexuality is some kind of aberration, suggest it without any emotion of hatred, just as a matter of observation; or that Islam has violence written into its holy books. You cannot say these things because they violate the Accepted Political Opinion. Just as in Communist countries you could never say anything against the Communists in power without being subject to some kind of punishment. Marxism/Communism demands conformity to its precepts Or Else.
You aren't going to find that kind of angry enforcement of any opinion among conservatives. Conservatives DO believe in freedom of speech.
PC is the opposite of free speech.
Cultural Marxism defined such ideas as sexism, homophobia, racism etc. in such a way that nobody is allowed to say anything that triggers such accusations without being viciously condemned for it, as witness what Theodoric is saying about me on the Sounding Gay thread -- that's PC/Cultural Marxism to perfection.
I could say my gay friend has his own form of political correctness when he insists on thinking of his childhood in sentimental terms although as he talks about it there is a void where there should be positive -- or negative -- memories of his father. He can't allow himself to think anything critical of his father. He has a few clich statements about his father, little that could be a real memory of a relationship with him. That's more a psychological or emotional correctness perhaps.
Your idea here that I am being politically correct in coming to accept creationism and conservative views of American history is in itself politically correct -- a mild version of course, but it's something you want to believe about me though you really have no idea how I arrived at my conclusions. It's something you made up, it's PERSONAL, implies something wrong about my attitude instead of treating me as capable of forming a reasonable opinion, and you even go on to call ME politically correct for the opinions I have though I haven't insisted that you share them or that anyone share them, and I certainly am aware of alternative views since I changed from those views.
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Faith 
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Message 231 of 309 (779451)
03-04-2016 12:41 PM
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03-04-2016 12:26 PM


Re: PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
Faith writes:
THAT's political correctness, a body of fixed opinion nobody is allowed to contradict on pain of getting at least a tongue lashing, even though it's usually a ridiculous fiction, and generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group.
That's what I said - and that's what you do all the time, except that your ridiculous fictions are right-wing nuttery instead of left-wing.
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Ha ha, you just keep doing it, and the effort is really pretty PC too. You've just GOT to invent an equivalence between my opinions and liberal PC even though it's such a ridiculous stretch there is no comparison. The fiction is yours.'
Liberals so often just don't think, they search around for the politically correct position and put that up for their opinion.
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Faith 
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Message 235 of 309 (779472)
03-04-2016 2:45 PM
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03-04-2016 1:03 PM


Re: PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
Christians ARE persecuted, all over the world as we speak. It's not a fiction and nobody is yelling at you if you aren't aware of it, let alone calling you names for denying that it's happening. Not even saying it's unfair and certainly not worrying about wounded self-esteem. There is no comparison with PC which exists to trip up a person who dares to suggest that feminism can have some problems, that homosexuality isn't a normal alternative, that not every view of differences between races comes from a racist mentality, that multiculturalism is a problem because there are cultures that aren't compatible with the west, and so on and so forth.
I'm sure there are plenty of things conservatives and Christians do that is annoying but it's not PC. PC is its own thing and it is leftist, period. But that's why I invite you all to make a list of annoying things conservatives do. It isn't PC in any case.
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Message 236 of 309 (779473)
03-04-2016 2:47 PM
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03-04-2016 12:58 PM


Re: PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
It wasn't about her work. But thanks for the PC fictional attempt to put me in the wrong.

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Faith 
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Message 238 of 309 (779475)
03-04-2016 2:57 PM
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Message 242 of 309 (779506)
03-05-2016 9:37 AM
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03-05-2016 3:01 AM


Re: PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
dup
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Message 243 of 309 (779507)
03-05-2016 9:38 AM
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Re: PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
It's not the facts that people react to when such things are said - it's the value judgements underpinning them that gets criticised. Women aren't weak, homosexuality isn't wrongful and Muslim people aren't more violent that Christian people.
Those are statements of fact, not value judgments.
Besides, who are you to dictate someone else's value judgment and harass them for not accepting it?
Relative to men, women ARE weak. That's not a value judgment.
According to the Bible homosexuality is a sin. That's a fact.
And Muslims ARE more violent than Christians because of their religion. That's also a fact. -- abe: Perhaps it could be stated more precisely, such as There is a much higher percentage of Muslim violence than Christian violence, and it is due to their religion. The raping of women by the refugees for instance. The current persecutions of Christians around the world that I gave links to in Message 238 are mostly by Muslims.
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Faith 
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Message 257 of 309 (779580)
03-06-2016 4:14 AM
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03-06-2016 4:05 AM


Re: PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
Why would you think I'd tnink everybody who has a PC opinion has ALL PC opinions? Nevertheless oddly enough I encountered that physical therapist who gave me a tongue lashing for saying something quite reasonable, I don't remember what, about the difference between male and female strength.
How about you go read the article about PC I consider to be the classic definition: The Origins of Political Correctness
I know about PC because I encounter it all the time, especially here, and I know its origins from that article, besides which I spent a lot of time in the sixties among people who read all that Cultural Marxist stuff and piled it on anyone who disagreed, so I do know PC.
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Message 259 of 309 (779583)
03-06-2016 4:49 AM
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Re: PC punishes whatever doesn't conform to the Acceptable Opinion
YOu don't need PC to counter the type of thinking you expressed in your last line. PC is not just an opinion, it's a Marxist propaganda tool and it's a tyrannical totalitarian propaganda tool. The opinions belittling women are one reason such thinking took over, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the cure is far worse than the disease. Have you read any of the Marxist feminist tomes? Try it some time. I believe there were good reasons for feminism in its day because I experienced the denigration of women myself, of course. But Marxist feminism is NOT the desirable solution.
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