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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, I take it back.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, I take it back.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Point taken.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
EvC Forum: Earth science curriculum tailored to fit wavering fundamentalists
Yes Percy apparently I did answer the post I shouldn't have answered. Sorry about that. Just wanted to continue the discussion where it had been interrupted and those are the topics that were interrupted. And you misrepresented me with both of them too. I suppose I should have brought it over here. You do seem to be saying basically No Creationism Allowed, more than once recently in your various "rulings." No I'm not characterizing what Geology teaches in that series of posts, I'm characterizing the implications of what it teaches which show the basic absurdity of the whole Time Scale explanation of the strata. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Re your comment HERE.
You took offense at a cute joke? Good grief Percy, it ought to be obvious by the work I've put into that proposal that I take it seriously. I did still plan to include more correct terminology, and as you might be able to tell, I ran into another problem I need to spend some time on too. I enjoy the tone I adopted, it's fun; You can't very well claim my opponents don't indulge in humorous ridicule. Lighten up. Not sure how much time I'll have to work on anything here for a while anyway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My opinion is that it's been done to death finally, and neither side gives an inch. All the topics have been covered and that's that.
abe: Or at least I mean this is my personal experience, Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The only thing you would recognize as an "honest evaluation" would be in support of evolution. Those who firmly believe in the God of the Bible know the only honest evaluation must support that revelation -- not that every argument made for it is trustworthy but that the only possible honest evaluation must support it. There is no such thing as evidence against God, just fallen minds that are easily persuaded against God, because that's the way we are all born.
But besides that I have had the personal experience over and over of making good arguments that are trashed for no reason other than bias. I don't say all my arguments qualify but many do. On a pro-evolution site there is no way that will ever be recognized, but it takes a while for it to sink in even for me. I keep thinking even unbelievers can be honest. Funny it just doesn't seem to work out that way. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Creationists are very likely to be on the defensive with someone like you who is known for your dogged anti-creationism, and especially if they tend to be, as you claim, novices at the debate, it's not too surprising if their arguments break down easily or they simply refuse to listen to you. Why would you think it means anything about the issues? That's not really an honest conclusion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A cheer for the invisible unicorn. Which, to my mind, was both a witty and appropriate response to Faith. I don't see how making that point in that way (maybe too subtle? But that's the intellectual charm) could be considered violating forum rules. I'm sure she saw, and appreciated, both the humor and the point even in disagreement. She's a big girl and has the grit and the sense of humor. Both of which marc appears to lack. Thanks of course for the compliment but I'm with Marc on this one. For one thing Coyote keeps posting that, it's not new, it's quite stale, and if you get past the dazzle of its charm you may see that it's the usual attack on the person rather than an answer to the argument, which IS a violation of forum rules. Not that anyone has bothered to enforce this one for, oh, aeons. I might make an effort to give up my own violations of this rule if anyone did consistently bother... Sincerely,True Grit
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, Percy, you said to bring my complaints here about bad faith debating on my latest End of Evolution thread. There shouldn't be any need to be specific, the problems are all over the thread starting in the first few posts by Coyote and Tanypteryx and Ringo who all attack me personally instead of dealing with the argument.
The latest offenses are Dr. A's latest few personal attacks in the 90s and 101, and Coyote's again, and RAZD has contributed his own personal attacks too, and PaulK as well although at least they usually say something about the argument at the same time. What they say I've already answered a million times. I thought I might get back to RAZD's lengthy posts but the thread is out of control now and I probably wouldn't be able to anyway. You have given support to them instead of to me, to Blue Jay and PaulK and NoNukes for instance after I had objected to their posts, so I have no reason to expect you to be any more fair here, but at least this will be a formal complaint on the record. I really don't want a response since I know you are incapable of objectivity and neutrality toward my point of view. This has been evident over the last few threads where I've tried to defend this argument. The argument I'm making is a good one, sorry but the attacks on it just show nobody's getting it and not for any fault of mine either, and that's a fact you will never even consider might really be the case, so again this is just for the record, and again I don't expect fairness. As I've kept saying on the thread, nobody is even trying to get it, nobody will consider seriously what I'm saying and yet everybody says oh we get it. Sorry they don't and you don't and you aren't really trying. Thank you for your attention to this nevertheless. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : change "objectively" to "objectivity"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know you can't see it any other way but I'm not avoiding anything. And yes, I do expect that eventually someone might actually think about the argument instead of always having the same dismissive reaction. And yes I do think you should require that of them. Yes. And at the very least a moderator should enforce the rules about hit and run personal attack posts. It's really unconscionable that you won't do that.
The argument has never been understood or properly addressed. For that to happen people would have to do as I ask them to do, think about it beyond their usual level. They won't, I know that, but they should/ Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right. Punish the victim. Great.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I strongly disagree with your assessment, Percy, I strongly disagree that I haven't done all I can to make myself clear. There's nothing more I can do.
No one even understands why you think what you're doing has any validity. That is only too obvious.
You strongly reject evolution, yet you wouldn't accept people just telling you to "think about it beyond your usual level," right? Depends on how specific the material I'm asked to think about is. What I'm asking is to think about a very specific and limited argument. ABE: I don't know what you mean about how I gave short shrift to anyone. What was done to me was nothing but personal attacks and you can enforce that on me too, I'm not objecting to that, but to let a dozen drive-by shootings stand on my thread without any attempt to answer the OP is really unconscionable of you. When I don't want to spend time answering the same wrong statement for the billionth time is that "short shrift" That's the case with Blue Jay's mutation stuff, which had already answered, and PaulK's which I'd answered a billion times, and NoNukes who never makes any sense anyway. The only previous thread I remember you might be talking about is where HBD kept posting that incomprehensible graphic of little bugs climbing around some inflamed pimple like bumps which was supposed to be an assessment of population fitness which had nothing to do with my argument that I could see and I didn't know how to respond to it. He never explained though I let him try to make his case over many posts. As long as nobody has really dealt with my argument, and nobody has, I'm not following any more rabbit trails away from the topic. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The argument is right and you've all been wrong every time. I answer you and you don't get it, and that's your fault, not mine. Nothing more to say.
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