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Faith 
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Message 376 of 860 (765990)
08-08-2015 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by Percy
08-08-2015 11:49 AM


Re: Grump, grump
My opinion is that it's been done to death finally, and neither side gives an inch. All the topics have been covered and that's that.
abe: Or at least I mean this is my personal experience,
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 377 of 860 (765991)
08-08-2015 9:23 PM
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08-08-2015 8:00 PM


Re: Grump, grump
Aye, it's been done to death.
But part of that is that certain parties refuse to deal with the issues.
Honest evaluation of one's position could prove fruitful.
Edited by dwise1, : Parties, not parts

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Message 378 of 860 (765992)
08-08-2015 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by dwise1
08-08-2015 9:23 PM


Re: Grump, grump
The only thing you would recognize as an "honest evaluation" would be in support of evolution. Those who firmly believe in the God of the Bible know the only honest evaluation must support that revelation -- not that every argument made for it is trustworthy but that the only possible honest evaluation must support it. There is no such thing as evidence against God, just fallen minds that are easily persuaded against God, because that's the way we are all born.
But besides that I have had the personal experience over and over of making good arguments that are trashed for no reason other than bias. I don't say all my arguments qualify but many do. On a pro-evolution site there is no way that will ever be recognized, but it takes a while for it to sink in even for me. I keep thinking even unbelievers can be honest. Funny it just doesn't seem to work out that way.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 379 of 860 (765993)
08-08-2015 10:04 PM
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08-08-2015 9:42 PM


Re: Grump, grump
With all due respect, I have often attempted free and open honest discussion with creationists. That has never ended well. No creationist has ever been open to an honest discussion.
Sorry, but that is our experience.

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Message 380 of 860 (765994)
08-08-2015 10:25 PM
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08-08-2015 10:04 PM


Re: Grump, grump
Creationists are very likely to be on the defensive with someone like you who is known for your dogged anti-creationism, and especially if they tend to be, as you claim, novices at the debate, it's not too surprising if their arguments break down easily or they simply refuse to listen to you. Why would you think it means anything about the issues? That's not really an honest conclusion.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 381 of 860 (765995)
08-08-2015 10:39 PM


Temporarily closing topic - Find a better place for current thing
Hey, there's a "Whine List" topic!
General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

  
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Message 382 of 860 (767938)
09-03-2015 7:22 PM


forum rules
References;
Message 15
Message 17
admin writes:
If you check the Moderator Guidelines you'll see that it advises moderators to issue warnings first, and to only take action if the behavior continues. I have so far only provided notice that I will be moderating the thread, and I stated that my main focus will be rule 4. Given Faith's behavior in other threads that was often tolerated without action or even comment, I'll be extending considerable leniency to everyone on rule 10, only getting involved when it gets in the way of discussion.
In checking the moderator guidelines, I see no indication that some rules are much more important than others. When one outnumbered poster is being attacked from many different angles by multiple posters, I would expect rules for the outnumbered one to get some leniency if actual discussions are desired by the moderation. I've little doubt that some of Faith's past behavior has broken a rule or two, but that most or all of it is simply a response to getting it from the atheists 10 fold, also tolerated without action or comment. In the explanation for rule #10, it says this in part;
quote:
Needless to say, communication suffers greatly once a discussion becomes personal.
By allowing the large group to break rule #10, communication really suffers if the lone poster quits. It appears to many non-evolutionists that your desire is only for shout-downs. It could largely be the reason there are so few non-militant atheists here - you don't seem to want them. Flat earth forums could be the same way, they don't want too many scientists. So I don't see any difference between this place and a flat earth forum. You may be wondering why I don't leave? I wonder that too, but I guess I just like the occasional amusement of the similarities of what sometimes passes for science as opposed to other lunatic fringes, like Islam and flat earth beliefs.

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Message 383 of 860 (767945)
09-03-2015 7:54 PM
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09-03-2015 7:22 PM


Re: forum rules
In checking the moderator guidelines, I see no indication that some rules are much more important than others.
Then disagree with them and quit participating.
if actual discussions are desired by the moderation.
We're not losing any "actual discussions" if we comply with admin's requests on this particular matter.
Nonscientific ridiculousness has no place in the Scientific Forums.
Basically: Shut up, marc.

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Message 384 of 860 (767953)
09-03-2015 8:35 PM


Regarding the We Have the Fossils thread.
How can you have any kind of reasonable discussion with someone who refuses to accept evidence that contradicts their belief?
Many of us have presented well-supported evidence, for a number of years, in a large number of threads. We have been told, in essence, that our evidence is crap because the bible is TRVTH.
That's no way to participate in a discussion forum. It just leads to frustration.
I posted the "I almost fell off my unicorn" image to that thread as the only sensible response, as posting evidence has been futile--a total waste of time.

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Message 385 of 860 (767957)
09-03-2015 9:35 PM
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09-03-2015 8:35 PM


{Non-topic material hidden - Adminnemooseus}
A cheer for the invisible unicorn. Which, to my mind, was both a witty and appropriate response to Faith. I don't see how making that point in that way (maybe too subtle? But that's the intellectual charm) could be considered violating forum rules. I'm sure she saw, and appreciated, both the humor and the point even in disagreement. She's a big girl and has the grit and the sense of humor. Both of which marc appears to lack.

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Message 386 of 860 (767960)
09-03-2015 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 382 by marc9000
09-03-2015 7:22 PM


Re: forum rules
marc9000 writes:
You may be wondering why I don't leave?
Nope.
At every site, there's somebody screaming, "All you retards do is scream insults!"
Over and over.
You're just our cross to bear, Marc.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Faith 
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Message 387 of 860 (767967)
09-03-2015 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 385 by AZPaul3
09-03-2015 9:35 PM


A cheer for the invisible unicorn. Which, to my mind, was both a witty and appropriate response to Faith. I don't see how making that point in that way (maybe too subtle? But that's the intellectual charm) could be considered violating forum rules. I'm sure she saw, and appreciated, both the humor and the point even in disagreement. She's a big girl and has the grit and the sense of humor. Both of which marc appears to lack.
Thanks of course for the compliment but I'm with Marc on this one. For one thing Coyote keeps posting that, it's not new, it's quite stale, and if you get past the dazzle of its charm you may see that it's the usual attack on the person rather than an answer to the argument, which IS a violation of forum rules. Not that anyone has bothered to enforce this one for, oh, aeons. I might make an effort to give up my own violations of this rule if anyone did consistently bother...
Sincerely,
True Grit

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Message 388 of 860 (768001)
09-04-2015 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 387 by Faith
09-03-2015 10:52 PM


Sincerely,
True Grit
See. This place is just a whole lot more fun when there are people we can kick who then kick back without all the self-pitying whines.
Love ya' Faith.

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marc9000
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Message 389 of 860 (768041)
09-05-2015 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by Coyote
09-03-2015 8:35 PM


How can you have any kind of reasonable discussion with someone who refuses to accept evidence that contradicts their belief?
Many of us have presented well-supported evidence, for a number of years, in a large number of threads. We have been told, in essence, that our evidence is crap because the bible is TRVTH.
You'll note that the last two words in the title of the thread in question are "we win". Most of the "scientific" discussions on these forums are about suggestions or mandates of changes in the behavior of everyone in society, not just those focused only on science. THEN it concerns other subjects. Science isn't the only source of knowledge. Pure naturalism has no advantages with "evidence" when it comes to worldviews.

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Message 390 of 860 (768042)
09-05-2015 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by Omnivorous
09-03-2015 9:51 PM


Re: forum rules
At every site, there's somebody screaming, "All you retards do is scream insults!"
Over and over.
You're just our cross to bear, Marc.
That's not what I did at all, all I did was point out the text of a forum rule - I haven't posted here to speak of in weeks. I was referring to administrations actions on a thread that I wasn't participating in myself.
I know it's not possible for every post to be perfectly policed, and I even understand if the owner of a site tends to favor those who share his worldview. But I don't understand his belief that a solution to the breaking of one forum rule is to allow another forum rule to be broken to counteract it.

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