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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
This thread is going to be unique and controversial. I first want to say to any respondants that I am going to "fight" any replies that you have that do not agree with the concept of the Christian Trinitarian Monotheistic concept of God. My replies will be in the form of a public prayer and rebuke to any words posted that disagree with this perception. Since it is my post, you all are free to ignore me entirely here, in which case I bless you! If you respond to the post in a challenging manner, I will "War" against the perceived spirits behind what you say...yet please understand that I am in no way cursing any person...I am fighting the spirits behind your words.
SO POST IF YOU DARE< BUT KNOW THAT GOD IS SOVEREIGN, and He lives!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dear Lord--You know and understand Crashfrog much better than I do. You love him and you know how he thinks and why. Please show him your love and acceptance. AMEN
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
DBlevins writes:
I have to assume that you actually expect that any prayer you make will have some sort of difference in the beliefs that others might have?Heb 11:1-3= Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
Lord, I lift up DBlevins to you. I pray that you bless the knowledge that is gained in college and that your Spirit covers and guides him/her. Lord, you know and understand Mr. Jack better than I do. You know his heart and his keen mind. Show him who you are. I only expect him to know you some day, and I pray that you keep me humble also. He saysWe have free will so we can choose whether to believe or not. and I know that you respect that,Lord. May your will be done. Show Coragyps your eternal nature. Convict me if I have offended you or hurt anyone by praying publically. Lord, I know that private prayers are usually more effective!I just want to show them our relationship! Please have mercy on all of us! AMEN
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I pray for Dan, thanking you for his sense of humor. Lord, I pray that you guide Dan into a respectful relationship with you, that his gifts can be used for your glory and in fullfillment of Dans purpose in life. AMEN
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I will say that I perhaps should of prayed in secret for everyone, but I did this thread to see what type of a response that I would get. In general, most people in this chatroom are open to discuss differences...except for the hardcore atheists...who do not even realize that they are victims of a spirtual war that they claim the christians madness has started. I will agree on one right that the atheists have. They have a right to not be bothered, and when they demand that I "prove" my God, all I can say is that deep down, they never really wanted to know.
Yes, we have freedom from religion, and yes we are free to believe what we want to believe, but IF God exists, we are ultimately NOT free from His judgement no matter what we say or do. He calls the shots. How dare we judge Him? [This message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-03-2004]
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Mr.Jack writes: This blast from the past was hilarious! So... if we don't believe in the three gods of Christianity then we are being led astray by evil spirits. We have free will so we can choose whether to believe or not. And Phatboy is going to make us believe by praying for us.Not getting this... As I engage in introspection and character development, I ask myself how different I am now...ten years later! Am I still the same person I was then?Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There was a war and I wasn't invited? You told us you wanted to be left alone and for us not to fry your friends. Theodoric seems to think that we believe you to be the enemy. Keep in mind, however, that we believe that humanity either has one flow(Holy Spirit) or the other flow(all other spirits) within them and that there is no neutrality possible. Jesus said that no man can serve two masters. People may argue today that man has to serve no one. Others may argue that we either serve God(collectively) or that enlightened folks are in a sort of humanistic communion---a body with no head. Many Christians believe that there is a body of believers with Christ as the head and another body with no head. One was, is and will come. The other was, is not and yet is for those whose names are not written in the Book of life. Edited by Phat, : loved ringo too much to vilify him. Edited by Phat, : clarificationSaying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Larni writes: I will agree. I know a lot more about myself and the world but I think the the most important thing has been to learn that there is always something else I could learn to change my perceptions.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: I think that in context, Jesus was talking of two masters that never agree. Its the metaphor of dark and light. Flesh and Spirit. Conscience versus Ego. Well, no slave can serve two masters - unless the masters agreeSaying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
double post
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: I see the church(at large) as a body...with the head being Christ. "Body with no head" is a loaded metaphor, more suited for feudal times than democratic. I see my union,local 7, and the international union has a body with no head. They elect figureheads who get paid a lot, but the decision making capacity resides with the members of the body and not the heads.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The church did not exist first and then simply make up a figurehead. The character of Jesus Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit(the character of GOD along with Jesus) inspired a man named Paul(no ghostwriter need apply)to build the church. I would argue that were the church never genuine it never would have held together.
AbE: I also see one true church. Anyone can hang a shingle and "build" a church. There hypothetically could be a bowling club that calls themselves a bowling club yet know nothing about bowling, I suppose. The true church knows (Or believes) their figurehead. He arguably existed before they did and He inspires them...they inspire each other because of Him. I would argue...in conclusion...that Jesus is an acting head. I do not see Him as a figurehead.
Dictionary.com writes: Figurehead--a person who is head of a group, company, etc., in title but actually has no real authority or responsibility:
Most modern kings and queens are figureheads. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: Think about it, though. The Jewish religion was formed in a culture through a long amount of time. The Christian religion, in contrast, was formed virtually instantly after the death(burial and resurrection) of its leader. Had the leader been just another "failed Messiah" the movement logically should have died off. How many time has it been pointed out to you Phat that if age is proof of the right of a religion then you'd be a Jew or a member of one of the even older religions? Do you think you can stop using this now or is it going to turn up again in a few months? Thats my basic argument.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Maybe you have a point. Is it really that hard for people to accept Jesus, though?
Even if we only accepted the dogmatic concept of a man which has not been proven to exist. A man who is the character representation of God. Thus...it boils down to accepting God or nah. Critics may argue as to what good it will do. And to be fair, I should also consider accepting that He does not exist, in order that we (you and I) have common ground. I resolve in 2015 to try and understand atheism better. In addition, I resolve to be more patient in our forum discussions---even if what is said goes aginst my beliefs.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I told everyone that one of my New Years Resolutions was to understand world views that disagreed with my own. So far, you three have started to challenge me in several areas.
jar writes: So you are telling me that Christianity was statistically insignificant until Constantine had his vision? Duly noted.
Christianity was just another Jewish sect for hundreds of years and it developed over the centuries just like any religion does. It pretty much did die out and became pretty insignificant until it was adopted as a State Religion and imposed by force and coercion. The way it survived the "Failed Messiah" challenge was to change the meaning on messiah beyond all recognition. But even under the NewSpeak Christian definition of messiah Jesus is still a failed messiah. So to Jews, Jesus has no meaning? Tangle states that Jesus has no meaning to him,also. And by the way, Theodoric...I have Richard Carriers book on my list. I will at least read it.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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