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Message 2 of 76 (609851)
03-23-2011 7:37 PM

The Christian Cult of Ignorance parents that support such home schooling abortions should still be ashamed of themselves.

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Message 20 of 76 (609894)
03-24-2011 9:37 AM

Reply to: Message 18 by Dr Jack
03-24-2011 6:19 AM

Re: Homeschooling conventions

Mr Jack writes:

Is homeschooling in the US really that bad? The homeschooled in the UK certainly also include two other groups:

1. Kids who were badly bullied in mainstream schools
2. Kids who are very clever, don't thrive in state schools and whose parents can't afford to go private.

In the US there is a different group, the "Avoidance Group". And yes, it is every bit that bad. If you want an example simply look up "A Beka Books" which is a source for much of the textbooks used by the Christian Cult of Ignorance home schoolers.

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Message 22 of 76 (609897)
03-24-2011 10:16 AM

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03-24-2011 10:06 AM

Re: Homeschooling conventions

Your link did not provide any information that would allow us to tell which groups their studies included. In addition, the link was yet another of those testimonial links that are just a marketing tool.

However, if a child is taught that they should trust SOURCE over CONTENT, believe that the myths of the Bible are literally true, then that child is by definition, ignorant.

The Christian Cult of Ignorance includes all the folk that cannot discriminate between fantasy and reality.

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Message 29 of 76 (609907)
03-24-2011 12:20 PM

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03-24-2011 12:09 PM

Re: Homeschooling conventions

I did answer it, and you even quoted the answer.

There is no way to tell whether or not anyone from an Avoidance School was included in the advertising polls you linked to.

However, anyone that thinks the Biblical Flood happened or tht Evolution is not a fact is by definition, ignorant.

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Message 38 of 76 (609944)
03-24-2011 7:50 PM

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03-24-2011 7:43 PM

beliefs and profession

Someone might be able to be a physicist and not believe in Evolution, but don't see anyway someone could be a physicist and believe in a young earth.

I also can't see anyway someone could be a biologist and not believe in evolution or a geologist and believe in a young earth.

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Message 56 of 76 (609984)
03-25-2011 9:50 AM

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03-25-2011 7:08 AM

Re: Homeschooling conventions

Wounded King writes:

Most creationist rejections of evolution that we see here are based upon profound misunderstandings of evolution

The thing that always seems wierd to me is that this is the case even with those who have PhDs in relevant areas. The crazy stuff Jonathan Wells, such as the polar ejection model of cancer and claiming that genetics don't affect morphology, comes up with always surprises me.

TTFN,

Money talks and Bullshit sells well.

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Message 57 of 76 (609985)
03-25-2011 9:53 AM

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03-25-2011 9:50 AM

Slev will not be a creationist very long

Buzsaw writes:

subbie writes:

But it will be expected of you that if you reject a theory that you provide either evidence undermining it or an alternative theory that better explains the evidence. Can you do that for the ToE?

There is a need for objective people like Slevesque who are knowledgeable and objective about all science PoVs. Not all are stuck on our way or the highway in their class rooms.

My advice to Slevesque is to continue learning all he can about everything. He will be able to teach effectively in both creationist and ToE classes and do it more objectively than someone who has learned only one science view.

If more of our educators, in both camps, were as knowledgeable as Slevesque is going to be when he graduates, perhaps, the best of both PoVs will prevail in the minds of the young impressionable minds of students being taught when they graduate.

Slev will not remain a YEC very long. He really does seem intelligent and will soon realize that YEC and Creationism are but lies.

I give him maybe a year more, certainly not much longer than that, particularly if he studies physics. Once he realizes that at least one Uranium Halo exists, YEC goes out the window.

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Message 62 of 76 (610000)
03-25-2011 11:46 AM

Reply to: Message 60 by Taq
03-25-2011 11:25 AM

Re: beliefs and profession

There is the example of Marcus Ross who seems to be able to so compartmentalize that he can do valid paleo work (for example categorizing ammonites fossils to improve dating in the Cretaceous) where he freely acknowledges that the Cretaceous was well over 65 million years ago, but then when he is in the big money Christian Cult of Ignorance venues he claims to support a literal Biblical young earth.

Now of course he is employed by Liberty University and so part of that is forced on him by contract, but I personally have problems with what I see as his (and even more the Christian Cult of Ignorance' use of his credentials) as misleading and misrepresentation. In his speaking at YEC marketing shows his Ph.d from the University of Rhode Island is also referenced, subtly implying that a secular university indorses what he happens to be speaking on at the YEC conclave.

Of course, that is simply false. It is just another example of palming the pea, misdirecting the audience attention, lying.

Another example is John Baumgardner, who does do some valid work, but his work also totally refutes the YEC material he markets.

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Message 65 of 76 (610031)
03-25-2011 6:04 PM

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03-25-2011 5:50 PM

Re: Slev will not be a creationist very long

I believe so. But then I may well be wrong. It is an untenable position though for anyone honest about the evidence.

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