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Message 16 of 121 (591806)
11-16-2010 9:21 AM


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Message 18 of 121 (591816)
11-16-2010 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Panda
11-16-2010 9:31 AM


Re: Confusion Still Exists
Hi Panda,
I deleted the discussion messages in this promoted version of the thread. Please see the original discussion over at Does ID follow the scientific method?. In Message 3 Dawn says the the two methods are the same:
Dawn Bertot in Message 3 of the original thread proposal writes:
In general any theory or ideology that attempts to explain the physical world will have the same basic tenets of fact gathering. I will suggest what I believe to be the basics in this connection and then we will see if those can be be built upon, so as to completely distinquish the scientific method (SM hereafter refered to in this thread) from the IDM (Intelligent Design method)
It is my contention that these basics will remain the same upon investigation, so as not to be distinguished from the IDM
These basics are of course:
Observation, evaluation, experimentation (tests), corroboration, determination, predictions (if you will) and of course conclusions
In other words, Dawn believes that ID accepts the scientific method, and this thread is for exploring whether ID actually follows this method.

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Message 33 of 121 (591937)
11-17-2010 9:15 AM
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11-16-2010 11:01 PM


Re: Design vs. non-design
Coyote writes:
...how one can reliably determine whether a particular item is designed or not.
Because I'm concerned about keeping this thread on topic I'd like to call attention to this question and point out that it is only on topic to the extent that it helps illustrate how the science of ID uses the scientific method, in this case to identify the principles for detecting design.

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Message 72 of 121 (592218)
11-19-2010 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Dawn Bertot
11-19-2010 1:57 AM


Re: Design vs. non-design
Hi Dawn,
I'm still catching up in this thread, but let me respond to this now before reading the rest of the thread:
Dawn Bertot writes:
We are dealing with methods and whether they are scientific in approach, not conclusions
design is the conclusion of a scientific approach, not provable in the same way a view that only natural causes are the cause
this is why I said earlier science minds make bad philosophers, logicians and debaters. Im sorry but that is true because you cannot distinguish between these two simple items
In order to demonstrate that ID does actually follow the scientific method you will have to provide examples of ID actually following the scientific method. Coyote is requesting that you show how ID followed the scientific method to reach the conclusion of design, and addressing this issue is precisely what this thread is about.
You don't have to use the example of concluding design if you don't want to, but you are going to have to find at least one example of ID actually following the scientific method.

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Message 73 of 121 (592222)
11-19-2010 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Dawn Bertot
11-19-2010 2:16 AM


Re: Hypotheses
Hi Dawn,
Phrases that you've never been able to define are starting to creep into your messages. Until you successfully define terms like "rules of evidence" and "order and law" you cannot use them in this thread or any other thread, except threads for the express purpose of you defining those terms. Do not attempt to define what you mean by these terms in this thread. This thread already has a topic.

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Message 74 of 121 (592225)
11-19-2010 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Dawn Bertot
11-19-2010 2:23 AM


Re: Question everything
Dawn Bertot writes:
Please demonstrate why my observations of nature, my experiments, my evaluations and my predictions of what nature will reveal, are not science
In this thread you have not as yet provided any observations, experiments, evaluations or predictions. Please provide at least one example of ID following the scientific method by describing the original hypothesis, the experimental framework, the observations, the analysis, the predictions, the validation of those predictions, and the theory resulting from generalizing what was learned.

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Message 120 of 121 (592437)
11-20-2010 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Dawn Bertot
11-20-2010 4:14 AM


Re: One step would be to define what ID isn't
Hi Dawn,
Bluejay's request to provide examples of ID using various parts of the scientific method is identical to the requests I made in messages earlier in the thread. Illustrating how ID uses the scientific method is the very raison d'tre of this thread.
I will not speculate as to why you have not been addressing the thread's topic, but I'm taking two actions:
  1. I'm moving this thread to the Free For All forum.
  2. I'm removing your posting privileges in the Proposed New Topics forum.

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Message 121 of 121 (592440)
11-20-2010 8:15 AM


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