The evidence for design and a designer - AS OF 10/27, SUMMARY MESSAGES ONLY

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Too funny. Maybe you will actually be the very first person that can actually present even a shred of evidence in support of that nonsense.

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Page not found – Pinkoski.comYou lose.

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Of course, even if you could support that assertion it would add zero support to the topic of this thread.

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You are the one that went off topic and attacked those that accept certain aspects of the Bible as literal interpretations of historical events. YOU went off topic, and YOU are wrong.Stick to the subject now. I don't want to throw away my time talking off topic. Though even on topic, talking with you is the same thing.

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There are no chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea, nor any sandbar across it, as you can plainly see in Google Earth.

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What? Google earth can see underwater now? F*ing cool. But since the Bible says a great wind separated the waters, and exposed the sand, one could assume that the sand bar is under water...which it is, between Nuweiba and Midian, in the Gulf of Aqaba.Goodbye.

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Unfortunately, your conclusion is incorrect. The antenna arrangement was not designed. It was a result of random changes.

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Perfect. This is yet a prime example of how someone can misinterpret physical information to draw incorrect conclusions. In order to make a intelligent assumption, I would have gained more insight by asking a mechanical engineer about the antenna, and it's proper shape and function. More information means more accurate conclusion. As science advances, we understand even once thought simple organisms are amazingly complex, and thus tilts evidence for design.I got one.http://www.avland.co.uk/sony/ers7/ers7lrg.jpgDesigned or evolved?

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But how does the sandbar traverse the central median trench?

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ForbiddenAgain, the sand bar runs the length of the Red Sea, underwater.Off topic, stay on topic, see map for furthur clarification.

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do you know every last variable concerning the workings of DNA? No?

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No. As I have said in many messages before, I'm an oilfield man. But it's precisely for this reason that I am in favour of a designer. I do have some background in molecular biology, a requirement for my current position, though not to the extent that most others have, and I am convinced that I could spend my entire life attempting to understand DNA's inner workings completely. It can at LEAST be considered plausible that an intelligent designer was behind something this complex (complexity being that I could not begin to fully understand it, even with my small schooling on the subject).

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What has that got to do with anything?

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Formation of water, and any other matter by natural process is a requirement if there is no deity, leaving evolution aside. This forum is for evidence of a designer. I am saying that all the elements on earth are a prime example of a designer, being that water is the source of almost all life, and it is the most abundant fluid on the planet. Random accident?

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Okay, on this, we more or less agree.

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Good, then we can start by asking, again, how did complex structures, DNA to be specific, arise naturally?

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You asked imbecilic questions that betray your failure

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My stupid questions have betrayed failure? They have betrayed failure...think about that...

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I love it when you guys pick up on my little signature!

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You guys? What do you mean, you guys? You saying that cause I'm black?

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Well, no, a central median trench with depths in excess of 7000' runs the length of the Red Sea.

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I'm not sure who got the link, but there is a specific link on the map of the Red Sea that shows depths. You are wrong, I just don't care to find it...it's 5am here. Go find the link and look at the picture.

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As you should have noticed, if you had quoted me accurately, I didn't say that DNA has no function. I said that it has no "intelligent function", no more so than a snowflake.

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Sure it does. Though it is chemically driven and follows certain rules, it created you, top to bottom. DNA created your brain, which has intelligent and unique thought processes. DNA has design, function, and purpose. It falls under the same principles as anything else designed, such as a hammer, or a car. Though DNA is not supernaturally guided, neither are humans, yet humans design.

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The function of DNA is to act as a template, as it were, for the production of proteins.

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But isn't that the point? All complex things that are designed have blueprints, or a storage of information.BTW, not all DNA codes for proteins.

I clicked your map (sorry, busy at work these days). You can't hardly see any detail at all. My link was much better, plus my map was of the Gulf of Aqaba, where the Bible says the crossing happened, a gulf that is part of the Red Sea.ForbiddenAbout 15% of the way down is a depth chart of the possible crossing site. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.

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I've already looked at charts, maps and satellite photos. I don't need to look for another. I know what is there. You don't.

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Okay.ForbiddenAround 15% of the way down the page. The Sea of Aqaba, a part of the Red Sea, is the possible crossing site. If you guys used google for all of 5 minutes you could find this stuff.

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Not only is there a trench in your putative sandbar's way, there are no significant currents in the northern Red Sea with which to form massive sandbars.

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Since the sand bar is already there, I wouldn't require one to be built.

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But why do you care? Why do you need the sandbar?

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I don't. But the Israelites would have. Even if God did part the waters, each individual crossed by choice, and on their own strength. It would seem unlikely that they would cross deep waters, that were too sloped, as this would cause injury leading to eventual death. Also the egyptians pursued the Israelites, and were swallowed up by the waters, if the slopes were too steep, the fall would have killed them, not the waters. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.

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so making arguments for a designer based on such odds is meaningless.

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Nonsense. It's because there are so many variables that make it functional, and stable, that the probability of design is very high. Making the arguement that it happened by accident is meaningless.

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Fine, you consider it plausible that life was designed; I do not object to this, you are entitled to your opinion. I am merely trying to point out that odds-based arguments for such a designer fall down on a number of points.

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So if it's plausible that life was designed, then isn't it possible that everything around us was designed as well? Odds apply alot less if a higher being is involved. If I needed a hammer, I could put a piece of wood and metal on the ground, and wait for it to become a hammer, or I could build it. The odds of it becoming a hammer if I build it is extremely likely, since I have the ability. So if there is a higher being of some kind, the question would be, would he have the ability to accomplish designing earth and the universe.

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possible to create water from hydrogen and oxygen

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Possible, and plausible? Now where did you get the hydrogen and oxygen for the formation of water?

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if there were no water on Earth, would we be having this conversation? No, of course not.

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If you mean because of the butterfly effect, then no, we wouldn't. We probably wouldn't be born. But if evolution is true, and water didn't exist, who is to say life could not arise using some other abundant source of nutrients, that is stable??

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I have no idea. That doesn't mean though, that we should simply throw up our hands and give up on trying to find a natural explanation.

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Of course not. Even from a christian perspective, information gives rise to better understanding. Even if the ToE were to fall apart, I wouldn't expect mankind to simply give up on a natural explanation of life, and I don't think they would.

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By "you guys", I meant creationists. You guys brighten up my days, you really do.

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I was meaning to be funny. I am more white than rice. I understood who you meant.

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So, DNA is what designed humans? About time we had an IDiot admit to what this mysterious designer's identity was. And all those years, it was good ol' DNA! Fancy that!

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Funny.

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Okay boys, pack it up, we found out the origin of life now.

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I have a feeling you are leaving alone. Just a glimpse on the rest of your life.

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How marvellous of our creator to not only give us life in general, but give each of us life personally and individually too!

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Don't thank me, thank Him. I'll send you His email if you like.

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Don't stop just because it's getting late.

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I'm at work. I'm getting 65 bucks an hour to make fun of you, how could I not??

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The neuron structure in your brain, for instance, was not designed.

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Using evolution as a precursor, absolutely right.

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Point being, storage of information does not imply design.

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Sure it does. It just doesn't PROVE it.

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The best any IDiot has done, even with years of research, is "I can't believe evolution did that, must'a bin' magick."

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Much better than, "I can't believe in magic, musta happened by accident." You believe the largest wreck in history created something good. Ever been in a car accident with your Topaz, gotten out, and you are the proud owner of a Ferrari? Give it time, it can happen.You carry on about how ID's, or IDiots, cannot plausibly explain a superbeing that created all life, but do nothing to explain the origins of anything yourself. Your satire remarks are funny, but show little credit with the proposed topic.

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There is no evidence at that site

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chariot wheels found in red sea - Google SearchEvidence of chariots underwater. Probably because they trained dolphins to pull them around.Page not found – Pinkoski.comLittle over half way down, two pillars, one on each side of the crossing site both talk about waters drowning Pharoahs army.Probably photoshopped.