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Author Topic:   The evidence for design and a designer - AS OF 10/27, SUMMARY MESSAGES ONLY
Omnivorous
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Message 30 of 648 (584295)
10-01-2010 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Dawn Bertot
10-01-2010 2:22 AM


What experiments?
DB writes:
The answer to your question is this Larni. Creation science suggests and indicates designby way observation and experimentation, STRICLY from the available evidence.
What experiments support the theory of intelligent design?
Can I try to duplicate those experiments myself?
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Omnivorous
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Message 240 of 648 (587615)
10-19-2010 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Buzsaw
10-19-2010 6:51 PM


Re: The Biblical Designer Did The Whole Enchilada
Buzsaw writes:
jar writes:
.....the Theory of Evolution involves OBSERVED process.
IDists observe and come to a different conlusion.
IDists observe their conclusions whole. They don't need to come to what they've already projected.

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Message 274 of 648 (587692)
10-20-2010 9:04 AM
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10-20-2010 8:46 AM


Re: The Biblical Designer Did The Whole Enchilada
As a rule of thumb, you've lost the debate when you start listing multiple posts and replying to them all with one "Nuh-uh!"
Buzsaw writes:
The evidence for ID creationism lies in evidence of the existence of the ID creator by observation of phenomena supportive to that entity.
After all your posts and all your words, your evidence still amounts to "it looks that way to me."
I can replicate and verify the scientific evidence for evolution; there is so much evidence, though, that it would take a life-time.
All you can do is point and say, "If you believed what I believe, the world would look designed to you, too."
That's not evidence, that's just another unsupported claim.
Buzsaw writes:
relative to the existence of a higher intelligence than that observed on itty bitty speck, Planet Earth, by relatively teeny little pea brain human creatures
That teeny little pea brain on this itty bitty speck is the most complex object in the observed universe. Maybe if you had more respect for your own, you'd use it better.

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Message 492 of 648 (588229)
10-22-2010 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by dennis780
10-22-2010 10:16 PM


Re: Literalism
So I need not bring up the chariot wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea, along a sand bar the stretches across it, right where the Bible claims Moses parted the sea with his staff, and the Egyptians were consumed by it.
But how does the sandbar traverse the central median trench?
Edited by Omnivorous, : I mean, it IS kind of deep.

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Message 500 of 648 (588238)
10-23-2010 12:48 AM
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10-23-2010 12:22 AM


Re: Literalism
Well, no, a central median trench with depths in excess of 7000' runs the length of the Red Sea.

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Omnivorous
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Message 517 of 648 (588263)
10-23-2010 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 514 by dennis780
10-23-2010 8:12 AM


Re: Literalism
dennis780 writes:
Omni writes:
Well, no, a central median trench with depths in excess of 7000' runs the length of the Red Sea.
I'm not sure who got the link, but there is a specific link on the map of the Red Sea that shows depths. You are wrong, I just don't care to find it...it's 5am here. Go find the link and look at the picture.
I'm not wrong, no matter what time it is there.
The Red Sea is evolving into an ocean, pulling apart from a central median trench which has a maximum depth of more than 7000'.
I've already looked at charts, maps and satellite photos. I don't need to look for another. I know what is there. You don't.
Not only is there a trench in your putative sandbar's way, there are no significant currents in the northern Red Sea with which to form massive sandbars.
But why do you care? Why do you need the sandbar?
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Message 610 of 648 (588625)
10-26-2010 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 608 by Dawn Bertot
10-26-2010 11:12 PM


And you should have answered the good Dr's question.
Instead, as usual, you run away.

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Message 630 of 648 (588673)
10-27-2010 11:31 AM


Summary: All design, all the time
It is apparent to me that Dawn Bertot believes that everything is designed: there is no need for a methodology to distinguish the designed from the nondesigned--because it is all designed.
Dawn doesn't want to defend this proposition, and so asserts a recognition litmus test for design while refusing to define it. Otherwise, the abstracted mask of Intelligent Design would fall away, leaving only a bare-faced creationist.
But we already knew that about both Dawn and Intelligent Design. This thread was more of the same old song and dance, just Dawn's turn in the spotlight.

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