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Author Topic:   What gives God the right to be "holy"?
Modulous
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Message 14 of 138 (537231)
11-27-2009 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
11-27-2009 5:03 AM


I'm going to argue with you.
I can't defend Yahweh Cloudrider's actions, however. I'm forced to be pedantic.
Holiness is merely a measure of proximity to Yahweh.
That which is not holy - or sacred - is profane (literally meaning before the temple, pro- -fane, which is probably better translated to outside of the temple). A holy thing or place is just one that has been separated from the mundane or profane for use in divine rituals or the like and it could be 'desecrated' (or de seperated) by contact with mundane, profane or sometimes referred to as 'impure' or 'unclean' things. It was usually therefore placed in the Temple where it could be spatially close to Yahweh the Undecided, in the Holy of Holies where only the Aaronite priests could go.
Yahweh then, is a singularity of holiness. As per Leviticus 11, the children of Israel are instructed to be holy because of this.
The question isn't, I think, "What gives God the right to be 'holy'?" any more than "What gives light the right to travel at approx 300,000 kms-1?" is a right question to ask. The real question is - if holiness is about aping Yahweh "The Butcher" Plaguebearer and trying to be as close to him as possible...why would anyone else want to be holy, and proudly proclaim their quest?
Erm - but that probably wasn't really pertinent to your point.

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Message 17 of 138 (537247)
11-27-2009 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by iano
11-27-2009 8:05 PM


One reason might be the conviction that God expressing his wrath against that which is evil is a good thing.
Yes, that is a reason. But why agreeing with Yahweh's opinions on evil is seen as a good thing is kind of the question I was raising.
If having no problem in principle with that which you yourself consider evil being punished, then your "butcher/plaguebearer" slur is rendered a toothless attack.
Not really. I can call {Insert human genocidal maniac} a butcher while agreeing that he was acting in accordance with his view of cleansing immorality and evil from his people. I just don't agree with {Insert human genocidal maniac}'s views on what constitutes evil and the methods used to combat it. Just like with Yahweh and Holiness, I can't see why anyone would want to get closer to {Insert human genocidal maniac}.
Your knowing this already, yet partaking in the slur, is indicative of God-hatred - something predicted as forming the nature of the lost.
I'm pretty sure I hate Yahweh, the character written about the Bible. I'm not sure about God, the person - should it exist - but if he is anything like Yahweh, I suspect I feel the same way. The prediction that some people will strongly dislike a specified deity is not entirely shocking.

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