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Author Topic:   Who & what are the demons ?
DevilsAdvocate
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Message 68 of 349 (495684)
01-23-2009 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by John 10:10
01-23-2009 6:14 PM


This forum as a whole is anything but neutral when it comes to talking about the validity of God.
Neutral in that the moderators do not take one side or the other and that everyone has an equal chance to say what they want.
The least you and other unbelievers can do is let believers in the Lord Jesus Christ explain what "faith and belief in God" is all about from our viewpoint, rather than limiting "faith and belief in God" discussions to your viewpoints only.
You can say anything you want. I am not a moderator. Just don't expect us to respond favorably to illogical, unsubstantiated statements that add nothing to the discussion.
The latter mostly evolves into deprecating the messenger, rather than truly examining the message and promises that Jesus gives in the Bible.
Examining what message. The topic is "Who and what are demons", not Bible Study 101 with John 10:10.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 71 of 349 (495833)
01-24-2009 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by John 10:10
01-24-2009 11:10 AM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
If one wants to learn "Who and what are demons," the best way I know is to look at the life and message of Jesus as recorded in the Bible, and see how He dealt with demons. You can deny that demons are real, or that Jesus dealt with real demons, or that real demons exist in today's world if you wish. My belief is that believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, those who know they have His authority, should take on those cases where NOTHING ELSE HAS WORKED. Yes, I guess this is dangerous to those who exclude the reality of demons.
So not only is your god the "god of the gaps" as related to scientific knowledge but in the "god of the gaps" when it comes to medical cases. This psychosis is dangerous because instead of studying the symptoms to discover its possible causes you are resorting to superstition and religious ritual thus putting someones life in danger.
I stand by my statement that you are a danger to mankind.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 73 of 349 (495972)
01-25-2009 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by John 10:10
01-24-2009 6:52 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Cases where NOTHING ELSE HAS WORKED means when doctors and physiatrists have tried everything they know and nothing has helped to bring these patients into their right minds, then consider that demons are causing the problem.
So tell me a case in modern history where an exorcist has performed exorcism and someone has gotten better physically and/or psychologically after doctors and psychologists have scratched their heads in fustration and "have tried everything they know and nothing has helped to bring these patients into their right minds"?
Please give me one modern and substantiated case with expert witnesses where this has happened?
Yes, Christians that use Jesus's authority are a danger to demons.
So we should be hearing in the headline news around the world how Christians are expelling demons and performing medical miracles? Right?
Chirp, Chirp, Chirp

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 79 of 349 (496498)
01-28-2009 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by John 10:10
01-28-2009 12:11 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Read my lips! When you've tried all the meds and therapy known to man and nothing has worked, then consider that maybe something else (demons) could be causing a person not to be in their right mind.
I think we are making progress. John 10:10 said MAYBE!
Maybe science and medicine will eventually make the concept of demon possession to become a non sequitur.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 81 of 349 (496968)
01-31-2009 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by John 10:10
01-31-2009 4:15 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Until science and medicine solves all of life's problems and creates (no pun intented) a perfect world for us to live in, why not consider (no maybe) there's a spiritual world that you know nothing about.
Until you can provide some sort of scientific and medical verification of the succesful practice exorcism during a controled (preferebly double blind or at least single blind) experiment, which is the standard in field of psychiatry and drug studies, then the practice of exorcism is relegated to the same realm of pseudoscience as quack, snake oil medicines and the fake, faith healings of the evangelicals i.e Benny Hinn and Peter Popov.
BTW, a dubious story of an exorcism written by a psychiatrist, who himself is a member of a religiously biased board in the pay of the Roman Catholic Church, and published in newspapers and religious journals published by the Roman Catholic Church vice an unbiased peer review medical journal is not convincing and fails the test as being credible.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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