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Author Topic:   My "Beef" With Atheists
AdminNosy
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Message 5 of 123 (482412)
09-16-2008 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Watson75
09-16-2008 2:02 PM


A condensed Version
The following contains, I think, or argument and is about 90 % shorter.
In summary your argument is:
1) assume there is a reality
2) therefore there is a higher power.
First para -- not needed
2nd para not needed
3rd para nnot needed
4th para I want this to be a objective and reational discussion with no bias as to one side or the other.
5th para not really needed
6h para I assume that there is a reality. (AdminNosy note: there is a philosophical name for this but I forget it).
7th The question I am asking here is: Does making this assumption lead to the notion of an intelligent force behind it and that this force is in a realm outside and beyond our comprehension? Or does it lead to the opposite that things came from nothing with no intelligence involved?
8th para No one knows the answer at least no one can support their answer with evidence.
9th para This needs reworking or leaving out. It is not clear what it is saying.
10 para: Asserts an answer to para 7 question. Logic is not given just assertions made.
11 para: To the query, but where did the intelligent force come from? the answer is: There is no answer I don't know.
12 para: Assertions with no logical chain of reasoning. Makes clear that only strong atheism is being talked about.
13 para: not needed
14 para: Asserts there is circumstantial evidence for the existance of the higher power.
15 para: restates the case to be made: Reality exists therefore a higher power. It is not necessary to restate this again.
16 para: not needed, only tries to assign motives to those who disagrees. No contribution to the argument is made.
17 para: not needed contributes nothing to the argument.
18 para: same as 17
19 para: same as 16
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20 para: same as 16 and 17 not needed either
21 para: save as 16
22 para: nothing to do with the argument
23 restates assertion not needed.

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AdminNosy
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Message 7 of 123 (482486)
09-16-2008 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Watson75
09-16-2008 7:09 PM


Re: A condensed Version
My argument, which can only be properly presented and discoursed properly via the entire post, is the following...
Whatever your argument and however much I don't understand it the above statement isn't true. Something like half the paragraphs do not contribute to any argument of any kind. Remove those for a starter and let's see what is left.
pinpoint my argument which is stated multiple times and is very clear... ugh. Just ugh.
If is stated "multiple times" then the post is too long. Pick one good way to state it and go with that.
"Very clear" it may be but you must consider that you audience may have a number of people with my limited cognition and therefore it might not be clear enough.

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AdminNosy
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Message 9 of 123 (482503)
09-16-2008 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Watson75
09-16-2008 8:43 PM


Another Admin?
Ok, your choice. Let's see if another admin will promote it. I am not going to.

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