God: Knowable or not Knowable?

Jon,If god is omnipotent then he has the power to make someone know him. QED.No?

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I think this premise is false, but it doesn't really matter.

Yup, and if all x are y then any x is y. If god is all-powerful, then he has any power, including the ability to make us know him. I dunno. How does Superman fly?Magic?I mean, he's omnipotent, he could do it in any way.Now, that God is knowable doesn't mean that some people actually do know him. God very well might not be known, but you cannot say that he is unknowable if he is omnipotent.

Just logic.Omnipotence is any power. Can he make us know him? Sure, he can do anything.What's the problem?Just because I can't explain how doesn't mean it is impossible.Is this really all you got? I thought you were better than that.And while we're supporting assertions, why don't you provide some support for this premise:

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To empathise with God would require us to see the world the way God does.

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Even without my crushing irrefutable argument , your argument falls apart because of this false premise.

Either god is knowable or not.No matter what we "prove" or "disprove", we're not going to change what god actually is.

I already said that I don't know. And that me not knowing how does not mean that he cannot. The reason to back it is his omnipotence. How have I scurried off? I'm right here. Or do you mean in the way you've avoided supporting your premise?Basically, omnipotence is my argument. And really, there is no way to argue against it. My argument is very much alive even whithout me being able to explain the "how would". Why does my inability to explain the method mean that the method is impossible?Can you refute the arument? Explain to me how an omnipotent god would be unable to do something.

Hrm, not in the OP. It seems your question is irrelevant.But oh well.

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How would you be able to know it was God?

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The simple answer is that you can't.But, if god is omnipotent, then she has the power to make you know that it is her. QED.Exactly how you would know is beyond me.How do you know that you're not in The Matrix?

Yes, with an added qualifier.

Yes, and for the sake of argument, it is assumed to be fact as a premise.If we're talking about something other than an omnipotent god, then we're not talking about what we are talking about.

Well, by me, at least.If I'm talking about an omnipotent god then that god is assumed to be omnipotent. Jon had no objection to it. Its a pretty common assumption in discussions about god.My argument relies on god's omnipotence. If we don't want to assume that god is omnipotent, then we don't need to address my argument.

No, that's a contradiction.If god could make us know then we would know.By default, we couldn't really know that we knew. But if god can do anything then he can make us really know that we know.I don't really know how we would know, though.

No thanks.

Cut the chase and get to the point.

I'm not comming from or going anywhere. My position is the same.If god is omnipotent then he has the power to be knowable.That is where I'm at. Would you care to repond to my argument? Try. Ugh. This isn't fun.

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I don't know. Yes. It lacks the mental cognizance and comprehension skills necessary for thought as complex as that. Because your kitty is unaware of the Hubble Telescope. Make it smarter.

, jar. There's nothing really to look at here. Its a simple definition of omnipotence. I have looked at my beliefs.You, of course, are free to believe whatever you want

No. We would really know that we knew. I don't know how, but if God is omnipotent, he certainly has the power to make us able to know.If we are unable to know, then that god is not omnipotent.ABE:Actually, strike that last line, it's not really true.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE: