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Topic: God: Knowable or not Knowable?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 141 of 216 (438658)
12-05-2007 4:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Jon
12-05-2007 4:41 PM
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Becoming a Cat would make Jon less human, but Jon is not omniptent
Jon writes: So, then your solution would be to de-godify God? Thats your assertion. Infinite value cannot be de-goddified. My analogy of course refers to Jesus. Surely GOD didn't need to send us His Son in order for Him to understand us better, however. It DID allow us to better understand Him. Through Jesus, we get a glimpse into how God thinks.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 149 of 216 (438745)
12-06-2007 2:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 148 by Jon
12-05-2007 10:25 PM
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Re: meow
Using the cat analogy a bit more, lets assume that the cat will never understand the entire thought process of a human. In that regard, I agree with you. God is unknowable as far as being able to understand His thought process or reasoning. By becoming a cat, however, you could explore the house and the territory as a cat among cats. Some of them would get to know your feline personality. They would thus be able to know you as a cat but not as a human. So....I concede that we can know God as a human (Jesus) but not as GOD the Father.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 151 of 216 (438749)
12-06-2007 2:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 150 by Jon
12-06-2007 2:40 AM
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Re: meow
Jon writes: So, then your relationship is not with God, but with some human incarnation? How, then, is it any more special than a relationship with any other human? I don't know how to answer this question. Jesus is the only character of God that I can know. I cannot limit Gods ability to use other humans to teach me more about His personality, however. It is my belief that GOD needs to use no other human character than Jesus, but He could conceivably use The Holy Spirit speaking through another human.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 163 of 216 (438815)
12-06-2007 11:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 152 by jar
12-06-2007 9:43 AM
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Re: meow
Jar writes: Do you know Ben Franklin? Do you know Henry VIII? Do you know Philip I of Castile? No. They all daid.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Re: Knowing
CS writes: An omnipotent god has the power to be knowable because ... But come to think of it, if God forced know ability on us, wouldn't that negate our free will?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 187 of 216 (497575)
02-04-2009 6:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by jar
11-29-2007 12:32 PM
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IS GOD KNOWABLE?
(I know jar is not here to respond...but I had to bump this topic  )
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How is someone's taste for a given god any different than someone's taste for a given ice cream?
My point throughout this debate...which was supported by Stile...is that it is irrelevant how well a human can know God IF God can in some active way know us and make a relationship between wee little us and omnipotent vast Him possible. I argue that through Jesus, this is possible. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 188 of 216 (497603)
02-04-2009 11:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 173 by Jon
12-12-2007 12:35 AM
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Re: Omni [actually] = all
imageinvisible writes: ACTS 9:3-9, Acts 22:6-9, This is one way God could make Himself known. Though I doubt He will do it this way next time around. St.Jonnachi Cloudicus writes: Those passages deal with Jesus; just what are you getting at? Its obvious, is it not?
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