Kingdom on Earth (Re: Barack Obama comments)

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Obama is the reason why I may actually vote republican next year

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If you vote republican next year we may not be able to be friends anymore.I'm not kidding.

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I think in general, both conservatives and liberals were taken aback when matters of faith and morals took primacy in 2004.

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Bullshit.The republicans knew exactly what they were doing when they got conservative Christians in a lather about gay marriage in all of the swing states.Oh, and just so you know? I've ALWAYS been a "morals/values voter".So have all of my Liberal friends.

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Methinks Obama may very well still be a Muslim. Islam teaches and practices lying if it's for the advancemnt of Islam. The Koran teaches that Islam must rule the world and Biblical prophecies seem to indicate that the Islamic nations will prevail in the end to the point of invading Jerusalem with success to the point of taking a third of the city before Armageddon ensues to destroy the invading nations noted in Ezekiel 38.

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Is yours the kind of bigotry Jesus would have?But seriously, if the worldwide Muslim conspiracy to take over the world was trying to infiltrate the United States Presidency, do you really think they would choose a black guy with a muslim-sounding name?The truth is they already have infiltrated the US presidency, and they were really stealthy about it. They chose an elite wealthy frat boy from a famous political family from Texas.There sure are a lot more Muslim extremists now compared to when Dubbya took office, aren't there? He got rid of the only secular leader in the middle east, didn't he?Their plans are unfolding nicely, thanks to their guy on the inside.

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Obama will never get my vote as I am probably as far from a democrat as you can get.

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Why would you never vote for Obama, considering how horrible the Republican party is these days?AbE: I mean, today's viable Democratic presidential candidates are really Nixon and Goldwater-style Republicans.I don't really get why a Republican voter who is nostalgic for the Republicans of yesteryear and who is disgusted by what the GoP has become wouldn't vote for a Democrat.The only true Liberals in the race are Gravel and Kucinich, really, but the country has shifted so far to the right in recent decades that their moderate Liberalism is considered laughably extreme these days. Compared to just a little while ago, and also compared to the rest of the world, they are anything but radical.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Imo, there's got to be more than coincidence that a junior statesman no more known by most Americans than you or me would suddenly rise up to be a leading contender for president.

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Yeah! How could a mediocre student, former coke-snorting alcoholic fratboy, failed businessman and governor from a state where the governor has almost no power suddenly rise up to be a leading contender for president only after he converted to a radical sect of a major religion that thinks that Armageddon is near and he thinks that God tells him to wage war?It's very, very fishy if you ask me. Edited by nator, : No reason given.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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If homosexual marriage is fine, then why shouldn't beastiality, pedophilia, or any other stance we currently find taboo?

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Once would have sufficed.

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Clearly not, since you've been given that answer many times, yet here you are, asking the same question, again.

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As it stands animals and children can consent. This has been discussed before. The definition then shifts to "informed consent". The two should not be confused. And that latter term has still not been made an objective definition, nor consistently applied.

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Yes, there is no perfect way to objectively apply "informed consent". Big effing deal. In many cases it's too clear to bother arguing (except for you, apparently).Can a one day old infant consent?(Prediction: Silent H will not ever give a straight answer to this question)

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is what reason do we have to choose one over the other? I don't see an answer to that.

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First, what's "the other"?Second, to approximately 100% of the people in the world, consent is good, lack of (proper) consent is bad, and the point is so obvious it needn't be argued. If you want to argue this point, I'm bored already. Edited by nator, : No reason given.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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The real definition, as I see it, is a mischaracterized way of saying someone who disagrees with the practice of homosexuality.

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So, does that mean that the definition of "miscegenation" has been mischaracterized, and the people who "disagree" with mixed race marriage aren't really bigots?What you apparently have a really difficult time with, Juggs, is the idea that just because a particular idea, concept, or act undertaken by consenting adults isn't right for you doesn't mean it isn't right for somebody else.We know you get icked out by gays (well, probably only the gay men). We know your religion condemns homosexuality and homosexuals. That's fine. Live your life being icked out and condemn people if you like.Just leave everyone else alone, including legally. Your personal feelings, including the religious ones, only apply to you.

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Assuming you mean informed consent, then I'd say from my interpretation of what that means (not sure what yours is yet), the very straight answer is no. A one year old infant has no understanding beyond its own immediate desires.

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I am specifically referring to the ability to give informed consent to sexual intercourse for the purpose of discussion.Can a five year old child give informed consent to sexual intercourse?

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The problem is that in mid-flight, he starts making these subtle gestures where he is rubbing his finger in a phallic manner. Its obvious enough that he's obviously signaling me, but subtle enough to where if I called him out on it he would just play dumb.

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ROTFLMAO!!!OK, now I know you are a closeted homo.Maybe, Juggs, if you weren't so obsessed with homosexual sex, you wouldn't have noticed the "signal".Why is it that the only people who seem to be able to pick up on all of these subtle gay signals are the homophobic conservative men? The most appropriate Onion article EVAR!Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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The point is, I didn't freak out. I didn't ignore him. I didn't treat him like a scourge. But if the conversation would have come up, I would have told him how I felt about homosexuality. And you know what? While he would rather me like homosexuality, I'll bet he we could have left the plane in total civility.

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So, if a woman had been coming on to you, would you have just taken it as a slightly-tacky compliment? Would you have wanted to be congratulated for not freaking out, or treating her like a scourge? Would you have thought to have a converstaion with her about adultery or fornication? Somehow, I don't think so.Why should the fact that it was a man supposedly coming on to you make your reaction any different?It was the "ick factor" and your religious bigotry and nothing else.

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If this election is anything like most elections, a Democrat will be in office. It seems to go in alternating cycles pretty consistently-- certainly not the rule, but its interesting to think why it is.

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George Bush (R), Bill Clinton (D), George Bush Sr (R), Ronald Reagan (R), Jimmy Carter (D), Gerald Ford (R), Richard Nixon (R), Lyndon Johnson (D), John Kennedy (D), Dwight Eisenhower (R), Harry Truman (D), etc...except that the last real Democrat in that list was Carter, and the last true liberal was Kennedy.All of them since Kennedy have been moderate to conservative Republicans, reagardless of their official party affiliation.The only true liberals in the race right now are Kucinich and Gravel, but even they are moderates.The conservative middle of the country is fearful, and that's why it has embraced Right-Wing Authoritarianism.The northeast, the west coast, and the big metropolitan areas (you know, the places that are actually likely to be hit by a terrorist attack, not Buttfuck Corners, Idaho) are still a lot more liberal than the rest of the country, and even more liberal than most of the Democratic candidates.

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One disagreement. Johnson was the last true liberal on your list. Not only was he a strong supporter for Civil Rights, even knowing that it would cost the Democrats in future elections (so at least one good thing did come out of Texas!), but until the Vietnam War derailed his Administration his other goal was to bring the New Deal to its logical conclusion -- not exactly European Social Democracy, but very liberal.

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But your main point seems valid.

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I will add, though, that Carter, although not a liberal, was the last President to care for people as more than an abstraction.

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Yes, you're right on both counts.