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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 308 (427138)
10-10-2007 1:02 AM
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10-09-2007 10:54 AM


Brennakimi writes:
long list of links with lots more name calling. look, we get it. his dad was an african muslim and his name is in arabic. stfu.
Methinks Obama may very well still be a Muslim. Islam teaches and practices lying if it's for the advancemnt of Islam. The Koran teaches that Islam must rule the world and Biblical prophecies seem to indicate that the Islamic nations will prevail in the end to the point of invading Jerusalem with success to the point of taking a third of the city before Armageddon ensues to destroy the invading nations noted in Ezekiel 38.
Methinks the kingdom Obama is referring to is none other than the Islam global kingdom that Islamic leaders intend on establish as per past and present violent aggression but certainly he's never going to say so. He's certainly not a Christian fundie and the only other religious group that forsees a kingdom of God on earth coming is Islam and fundamentalist Christians like myself. The difference is that the Christian fundies have no intentions of forcefully establishing the kingdom. It is Jesus the christ/messiah who will take care of that at his 2nd advent according to the Bible prophecies both OT and NT. On the otherhand Islam intends to violently conquer the world for their god Allah and the Islamic faith.
Imo, this man has been set up by Ben Ladden or the Saudi Wahabis or the Iran Shihites to become president of the US so as to advance Islam in the US and worldwide as well as to end the US support for Israel etc.
It will not surprise me if Obama becomes the next president of the US despite his lagging position presently. Perhaps he's got some cards in his hand to trump Hilary, being she has a lot of dirdy baggage in her closet from the shenanigans of the Clinton administration.
The Western nations are stupid on Islam, thinking that it's basically peaceful. The only peaceful ones are the ones who haven't been subjugated yet or the ones who have been subjugated but dare not speak up, who want out but will be in jeopardy of loosing their head if they do so.
Imo, even if he is a setup for Islam and were to become president, he would never admit to it. He will simply undermine the resolve of the US to protect Israel and to make war on terrorism all the while maintaining his role as a closet Muslim.
Perhaps I have it all wrong, but I'm going to be watching him and listening to what he says closely. I forget what it was but something he said recently regarding our policy in the Mideast caught my attention. Imo, only a Muslim intends to establish a kingdom of some god on earth. Christian fundies know one's coming but knowing the prophecies have no intention of doing it themselves by violent force.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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iceage 
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Message 32 of 308 (427152)
10-10-2007 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
10-10-2007 1:02 AM


Ignorant Slander
Buzz writes:
Imo, this man has been set up by Ben Ladden or the Saudi Wahabis or the Iran Shihites to become president of the US so as to advance Islam in the US and worldwide as well as to end the US support for Israel etc.
This is ignorant slander. A little research would reveal that this is pure hogwash and an attempt to smear the good name of someone who you don't even know anything about or evidently haven't even tried to know.
Obama will never get my vote as I am probably as far from a democrat as you can get. However when I see people smear or spread disinformation I have to act. What does the bible say about false testimony? What does the bible say about how one should treat others? You are violating the first, albeit through ignorance, and second willfully.
I saw the psuedo-republicans do it against veterans with honorable records last election and I don't doubt they will do it again.

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kuresu
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Message 33 of 308 (427167)
10-10-2007 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by iceage
10-10-2007 2:55 AM


Re: Ignorant Slander
the least he could do would be to at least spell names correctly.
For the record buzz, it's:
Bin Laden
Shi'ite
Wahhabi (given that the sect's founder's name is Ibn Abdul-Wahhab)
further, the Wahhabi's have more people than just in Saudi Arabia. Include Kuwait and Qatar, as well as small places in Somalia, Algeria, Palestine, and Mauritania.
Oh well, at least buzz stopped the the us al et al from what I can tell.

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jar
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Message 34 of 308 (427188)
10-10-2007 10:04 AM
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10-10-2007 1:02 AM


more totally irrelevant and false assertions from Buz
Methinks Obama may very well still be a Muslim.
So what?
Please explain why you think a persons religion has ANYTHING to do with whether or not they should be President?
Personally, I believe that Fundamentalist Christians are the greatest threat the world faces and would be terrified should another one become President.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 35 of 308 (427191)
10-10-2007 10:15 AM
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10-10-2007 10:04 AM


Re: more totally irrelevant and false assertions from Buz
well, clearly if he's a muslim, his loyalties lie with mecca just like catholics will turn our country over to the pope, and mormans will surrender us to the temple in salt lake. only fundamentalists who would turn us over to god are good enough.

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Chiroptera
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Message 36 of 308 (427193)
10-10-2007 10:19 AM
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10-10-2007 1:02 AM


Imo, this man has been set up by Ben Ladden or the Saudi Wahabis or the Iran Shihites to become president of the US so as to advance Islam in the US and worldwide as well as to end the US support for Israel etc.
Suppose that Obama does become President. If it turns out that he doesn't have a Muslim agenda, will you finally realize that you are a complete nut and shut the hell up?

In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

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Taz
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Message 37 of 308 (427197)
10-10-2007 11:01 AM
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10-09-2007 11:28 PM


Re: Throwing away your vote
crash writes:
I would rather Taz make an effort to educate himself about the issues
Crash, I've been reading almost everyday about the candidates. I've been trying to catch and watch the live debates of both republicans and democrats. If you want me to outline what each candidate stands for specifically, I can't. What I can tell you is I've had it with the current candidates.
Actually, the only person I would vote for now is Howard Dean. Too bad he's not running...
And to both crash and nem_jug, Al Gore IS NOT running and has many times now declared his intention NOT to run. I honestly don't even know why you guys are even talking about it.
I'm not going to vote. Regarding to my bitching and moaning later on, let me give you an analogy.
I am presented with 2 bowls of shit. They want me to choose which bowl for dinner. I don't want either. The rest of the nation choose one out of the two for me. You're telling me I don't have a right to bitch and moan about the bowl of shit that's just been crammed down my throat?
But sorting through politics isn't everybody's cup of tea.
You're right. To me, very few issues are important. I'm not as political savy as I'm sure most of you are.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 38 of 308 (427198)
10-10-2007 11:05 AM
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10-10-2007 10:19 AM


no. he has a muslim agenda, he's just hiding it for his second term!!

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Jazzns
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Message 39 of 308 (427200)
10-10-2007 11:09 AM
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10-10-2007 1:02 AM


Tortured Paranoia
I guess I cannot imagine how life would be if I had to live every day with these ideas in my head. So much tortured paranoia must have some kind of an impact on a person's health and wellbeing.
I personally don't have the cortisol or blood pressure to spare to deal with fantasy paranoia. I have too much real life stress to attend to without inventing slanderous conspiracy theories about people I only know about through partisan and ideological outlets.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Chiroptera
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Message 40 of 308 (427201)
10-10-2007 11:21 AM
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10-10-2007 11:05 AM


I have to admit it: Obama as Wahhabi Manchurian candidate is laugh-out-loud funny. If Buz really has gone over into full-blown conspiracy cuckou land, then I really don't want him to shut up.

In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

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nator
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Message 41 of 308 (427259)
10-10-2007 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
10-10-2007 1:02 AM


quote:
Methinks Obama may very well still be a Muslim. Islam teaches and practices lying if it's for the advancemnt of Islam. The Koran teaches that Islam must rule the world and Biblical prophecies seem to indicate that the Islamic nations will prevail in the end to the point of invading Jerusalem with success to the point of taking a third of the city before Armageddon ensues to destroy the invading nations noted in Ezekiel 38.
Is yours the kind of bigotry Jesus would have?
But seriously, if the worldwide Muslim conspiracy to take over the world was trying to infiltrate the United States Presidency, do you really think they would choose a black guy with a muslim-sounding name?
The truth is they already have infiltrated the US presidency, and they were really stealthy about it. They chose an elite wealthy frat boy from a famous political family from Texas.
There sure are a lot more Muslim extremists now compared to when Dubbya took office, aren't there? He got rid of the only secular leader in the middle east, didn't he?
Their plans are unfolding nicely, thanks to their guy on the inside.

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nator
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Message 42 of 308 (427260)
10-10-2007 5:26 PM
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10-10-2007 2:55 AM


Re: Ignorant Slander
quote:
Obama will never get my vote as I am probably as far from a democrat as you can get.
Why would you never vote for Obama, considering how horrible the Republican party is these days?
AbE: I mean, today's viable Democratic presidential candidates are really Nixon and Goldwater-style Republicans.
I don't really get why a Republican voter who is nostalgic for the Republicans of yesteryear and who is disgusted by what the GoP has become wouldn't vote for a Democrat.
The only true Liberals in the race are Gravel and Kucinich, really, but the country has shifted so far to the right in recent decades that their moderate Liberalism is considered laughably extreme these days. Compared to just a little while ago, and also compared to the rest of the world, they are anything but radical.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 43 of 308 (427277)
10-10-2007 6:40 PM
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10-10-2007 1:02 AM


The Obama/Osama connection?
Methinks Obama may very well still be a Muslim. Islam teaches and practices lying if it's for the advancemnt of Islam.
The possibility exists, sure, but what specifically leads you to believe that he is a Muslim in sheep's clothing?
Methinks the kingdom Obama is referring to is none other than the Islam global kingdom that Islamic leaders intend on establish as per past and present violent aggression but certainly he's never going to say so.
I think he's just trying to win votes by playing as many sides of the field as possible.
Imo, this man has been set up by Ben Ladden or the Saudi Wahabis or the Iran Shihites to become president of the US so as to advance Islam in the US and worldwide as well as to end the US support for Israel etc.
What??? What would lead you to believe something so lofty? Again, does the possibility exist? Yes. But is there any good reason to believe that? The magnitude of this postulate requires a collusion factor up there with the Trade Center conspiracy theories.
It will not surprise me if Obama becomes the next president of the US despite his lagging position presently. Perhaps he's got some cards in his hand to trump Hilary, being she has a lot of dirdy baggage in her closet from the shenanigans of the Clinton administration.
He is already proving to be the thorn in the side of Clinton. At this rate, the Democrats are so divided in their allegiance that they're beginning to cancel one another out.

"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 44 of 308 (427279)
10-10-2007 7:09 PM
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10-10-2007 6:40 PM


Re: The Obama/Osama connection?
At this rate, the Democrats are so divided in their allegiance that they're beginning to cancel one another out.
it's called a primary. you vote between candidates for the party to run. republicans do the same thing, but this time, they've found a bunch of ridiculously unelectable clowns.

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Taz
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Message 45 of 308 (427765)
10-12-2007 7:52 PM


Al Gore won nobel peace prize
Scratch what I said before about him not running. There's a 1% chance he might actually run...
Go Al Gore!!!

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