Hi Buzsaw,
This thread raises the question of whether creationists are abandoning ID in favor of their YEC roots. Unless you think those roots include ignorance and stupidity, which is what I was talking about, then this probably isn't the proper thread for that discussion.
My post was not a veiled reference to ID and YEC views. It was a reply to CK's
Message 281 in the
Faith's Participation in EvC thread where he briefly described the difficulty of scientific discussion with people whose primary contributions seem to be accusations of bias, lying and atheism. I was adding ignorance and stupidity to the list of their contributions, and I was noting that increasingly widespread availability of computers means it will only get worse.
So I don't think this is the right thread for what I was talking about, which is okay since your response doesn't address those points, but neither does it seem to be on-topic for this thread. Dr. Adequate's suggestion to propose a new thread is probably a good one.
In addition, I was posting as Admin, and I try to avoid involving myself in discussions as Admin outside the moderation threads. But I will briefly note my belief that the reason the level of scientific sophistication is so dramatically different between the two sides is because one side comes here out of a passion for and familiarity with science, and the other side comes here out of a religious certainty that science is wrong.
In other words, creationists come here not because they've studied the science and found it lacking. They come here, poor ignorant slobs all fired up with false arguments from ICR and AIG websites, because of devotion to their religious beliefs.
Creationist views will only take on a valid scientific form when they begin developing out of a passion for science instead of for religion. And there is no reason why any person cannot be passionate about both. I know I am.
AbE: Now, it might be asked why, if I'm so passionate about both science and religion, that I spend all my time discussing science and none discussing religion. The answer is simple. It isn't my religious beliefs that are under attack, so they need no defending. I believe it is important that public schools accurately teach current scientific understandings of our universe, this is what is under attack, and so this is what must be defended if our understanding of our universe is to continue to grow. And as an aside, I can't think of a better way to show appreciation of God than to study his creation in the greatest detail possible.
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