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Topic: What would your doctor say?
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 129 of 204 (337188)
08-01-2006 10:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 122 by inkorrekt
07-31-2006 10:16 PM
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Re: God always answers. He always talks to us.
inkorrect writes: It was God who answered my cry and sent this angel to cheer me up. No, it was a little kid messing around on a shopping trip with her mother. They're so common in my local store you have to work hard not to trip over them... 
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 130 of 204 (337190)
08-01-2006 10:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 128 by iano
08-01-2006 10:43 AM
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Re: touchy
iano writes: Agnostics, who say they know not either way and claim to sit on the fence do precisely the same thing. "Having your cake and eating it" we call it this side of the pond Why "having your cake and eating it"? Agnostics are no more concerned about God's judgement than Atheists... And if one is a deist, why should one submit to one particular interpretation of God (and morality) as dictated by a bunch of folk with a book? Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 132 of 204 (337205)
08-01-2006 11:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 131 by iano
08-01-2006 11:39 AM
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Re: touchy
iano writes: The sitting-on-the-fence stance is an illusion. Ah, I see what you mean. You do have a point. In may ways the agnostic position is really just a debating defense. It's handy just in case someone asks you to "show God doesn't exist".  Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 149 of 204 (337342)
08-02-2006 4:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 133 by iano
08-01-2006 12:20 PM
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Re: touchy
iano writes: ...it is usually the believers who get the bumps on their head "I don't know" is a perfectly logical (albeit unexciting) position.... But I think the real divide between believers and non-believers often comes not with regard to the very existence of God, but to whether his will (whatever form of religion it may manifest as) should be taken into account if he does exist. Whether or not God exists, both atheists and agnostics reject any notions of submission to God. Even if God does exist, I see no reason to live my life as his subject in accordance with ideas attributed (by humans) to him.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 150 of 204 (337343)
08-02-2006 4:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 141 by iano
08-01-2006 8:28 PM
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Re: touchy
iano writes: Now if that is the case then it there isn't as much diversity as you might think. Islam, Atheism, Hinduism, Roman Catholicism, Agnosticism. All the same side of the very same coin. All sharing the same features in essence: denial of God as is revealed. Arrogant, exclusive and extreme? That is one logical possibility. The other is that it is true. Your two "logical possibilites" are not mutually exclusive - you tellingly chose to leave out the word "false"! Your assertion could be true. It could also be false.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 155 of 204 (337395)
08-02-2006 1:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 154 by deerbreh
08-02-2006 9:29 AM
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Re: "God" and the IDEA of God could be different.
deerbreh writes: I don't think you can generalize in this way Well I agree it was a generalization. My point was simply that those groups are less likely to lead their lives according to the man-made doctrines attributed to a God whose existence is either false, or unknowable. I should really have added some form of qualification. It is interesting, however, how many people who identify themselves as non-religious will nonetheless freely entertain their own notions of God. God is less a figure of authority and more a flight of their own imagination.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 159 of 204 (337482)
08-02-2006 6:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 142 by iano
08-01-2006 8:40 PM
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Re: touchy
iano writes: - everytime I come to mystery I will tend to suspend my question until a naturalistic solution comes along. Goddidit is athema to me Tend to suspend the question? What does that mean? Surely you mean "attempt to answer"? Also, a "naturalist solution" as opposed to what? A spiritual solution? Will faith make an aircraft fly? Will faith make your motorcycle run? The fact that "naturalist solutions" HAVE been found must surely validate empirical methods, don't you agree? So what are you arguing against? All of science? Just remember that if the scientists who first identified electromagnetism went only in search of "spiritual answers" then you wouldn't be posting forum messages on a computer powered by a national grid.... Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 187 of 204 (337603)
08-03-2006 4:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 186 by iano
08-02-2006 7:36 PM
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Re: touchy
Ian, any replies to Message 159?
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