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Topic: Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 154 of 301 (331839)
07-14-2006 8:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 153 by Buzsaw
07-14-2006 8:12 PM
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Re: Who Started This?
To all: Who was it that kidnapped who's soldiers to set off this war and who refused to return the kidnapped persons and arrest the kidnappers? To Buz: Not Lebanon.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 157 of 301 (331849)
07-14-2006 9:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 155 by Buzsaw
07-14-2006 9:15 PM
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Re: Who Started This?
Don't know Buz, but most likely the organization that was created in response to the Israeli supported massacre of Palestinian citizens by the Lebanese Christian Militia.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 191 of 301 (332491)
07-17-2006 9:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 189 by Buzsaw
07-17-2006 9:07 AM
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Re: Unbiased news.
Yeah, right Buz. Did they discuss the fact that Hezbollah came into existence to respond to Christian terrorism and the Christian massacre of Palestinians in a refugee camp? Did they point out that it was Israel that totally destabilized the Lebsnese government in the first place the last time they went camping among the cedars? Did they point out that Hamas is not now, nor has it ever been an arm of the Iranian military. They cooperate, and Hamas does recieve financing from Iran, but that was only arranged after the US and other western nations went back on agreements of finance for the Palestinian Authority. As for the timing of the attack, certainly it was timed to draw attention away from Iran's issues as pointed out way back in this thread. That is not really news and should have been obvious from the moment it happened. But the attacks from Lebanon are also not a threat to Israels existence or sovereignty. Let's not blow this out of proportions. In addition, Israel was one of the nations that opposed the UN placing an occupying force in Southern Lebanon.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 207 of 301 (332571)
07-17-2006 2:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 206 by Faith
07-17-2006 2:39 PM
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who learned from who?
What is worth noting about that? How many of them are there and how many did they kill and how far back do their terrorist tactics go and who learned it from whom? Remember this one Faith?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 211 of 301 (332578)
07-17-2006 3:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 208 by Faith
07-17-2006 2:46 PM
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Re: who learned from who?
It is a good picture of where the Palestinians leaqrned about terrorist bombing. They learned the value of terrorist attacks from the Jews. It is picture of the King David Hotel.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 215 of 301 (332590)
07-17-2006 3:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by Faith
07-17-2006 3:15 PM
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Re: who learned from who?
I see. Because the Irgun did that, then what? Nobody has said, as far as I know, that the Muslims invented terrorism, but they have certainly made it their MO, and it is completely in keeping with their history and their holy books, which can't be said about the bombing of the King David. Back to the Tamil, I don't see the relevance there either. The IRA have operated by terrorism. Likewise the Weathermen and other groups in the US in the sixties. I guess we could make a little chart to sort it all out but what would be the point? The point is that historically people us what they have to defend themselves. The Palestinians are doing nothing that Hindus, Jews, Christians and even anarchists have not done. you have often claimed that it is a function of the religion, but no matter how many times we ask you to post the Qur'an verses in context, you have been unable to do so. In addition, there are Islamic Nations like Saudi Arabia, Qutar, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan, Indonesia, Turkey that are allies and supporters of the US and that work to fight terrorism.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 221 of 301 (332609)
07-17-2006 4:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
07-17-2006 4:04 PM
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Re: who learned from who?
Faith says.
You know very well that the jihadic scriptures of the koran have been given many many times and much historical background showing that violence is the literal interpretation of them. No I don't faith. I do know that you have been asked many times to support that assertion and have never done so.
Again and again and again the fact that there are Muslims who do not subscribe to the fundamentalist reading has been acknowledged. Exactly, just as many Christians understand that there never was a world-wide flood and only certain fundamentalist Christians hold to that fiction, most Moslems do not see any call to violence in Islam.
That does not change the fact that their history and writings literally interpreted justify the violence. Except so far neither you or anyone else has been able to show support for either that position or the fact that Islam is any more violent than any other religious group. And NONE of this has anything to do with the justification for Israel's current behavior.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 227 of 301 (332689)
07-17-2006 8:42 PM
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What exactly is the situation in Lebanon.
The border between Lebanon and Israel is almost 50 miles long, and right now there are about 2000 Ghanaian and Indian troops under the UN stationed along the area. Tony Blair has been trying to get an even larger presence sent, but one Great Power has been standing in the way of implementation, the US. In addition, at the G-8 meeting Tony Blair suggested that maybe he could go to the area and negotiate a cease fire, but he was shot down in flames, by Georgie Bush, who also began the converstion with "Yo, Blair. How are you doing?"
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 231 of 301 (332704)
07-17-2006 10:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 230 by Buzsaw
07-17-2006 10:12 PM
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Re: who learned from who?
It's in the archives for you to search but not the topic perse here. Okay Buz. Let's head towards the topic. And remember, Islam and the Qur'an are deemed off topic by none other than Buz. Why is Israel getting away with these attrocities?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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On the goals of terrorism
One of the primary goals of terrorist organizations is to encourage disproportionate responses from the opposition. This does several things:
- it helps build anger towards the responder.
- it helps in recruiting funding, members and volunteers for future operations.
- it reduces the resources available to the enemy.
- it engenders opposition to the act even within the community of the enemy itself.
By those criteria, the various terrorist organizations are succeeding. In particular, the US is losing in every measure and future historians will likely look back on the period beginning around 1980 as the origin of the downfall of the US. In the current Israel issue, we see the same reaction. Israel's responses are totally out of propportion to the threat. From a political, social, economic or moral perspective, all Israel is doing is ensuring the likelhood of the success of those it is opposing.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 295 of 301 (333854)
07-20-2006 10:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 294 by Buzsaw
07-20-2006 8:55 PM
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Re: Ambulances?
So according to Buz if you think some folk are terrorists it is okay to go ahead and and bomb civilians because terrorists might be hiding among civilians. Yup, seems like the Christian thing to do Buz. 
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 300 of 301 (333869)
07-20-2006 11:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 299 by Buzsaw
07-20-2006 11:05 PM
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Re: Ambulances?
This leaves Israel no choice. Bullshit Buz. Rank Bullshit. Of course there are other choices than blowing up ambulances. Hell, even during real War the armies tried to respect Red Cross units.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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