What are the Degrees of Fundamentalism?

As I've said many times before, we are to give help to all sufferers.Are you against preaching against sin as an evangelizing tool? Are you familiar with Ray Comfort? You seem to have the usual false idea of what "love" is.The Holy Spirit does not contradict scripture.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Just doesn't matter how they got that way, huh?
I could never bring myself to go and help people who I thought God had poured his wrath out on, and preach that message to them. I do not feel the Holy Spirit at all if I do that. Evangelizing is one of my strong points in spiritual gifting. I am very careful to be extremely humble when preaching about what sin can do to you in your life. Most people already are aware of what it can do, but ultimately it will be the Holy Spirit that will show them just how much sin can keep you from experiencing God here on earth. You show people more with your actions than preaching righteousness in their faces. You have offended me a bit.
Love and trust are 2 different things, I hope you know. Can you prove that?But I sort of agree. The problem arises in the interpretation, or the lack of consorting with the spirit, as to what the scriptures should mean in the present time.Please show me one scripture, where Jesus instructs us to go and convict/condemn people.

You thoroughly misread what I'm doing by calling it "condemnation." And speaking of being offended, your claim to have the Holy Spirit, with the insinuation that others do not, is very offensive and makes you completely untrustworthy. Some people who claim to follow the Holy Spirit are actually following some other spirit. If you are not grounded in scripture you know not what you are following, and I've had the impression that in general you subordinate scripture to your own personal feelings that you call being led by the Holy Spirit. Since this is really not appropriate to discuss here, please feel free to email me.

I have no interest in emailing you about it.
I have never claimed that about the Holy Spirit. I have claimed that we all have the Spirit, just some choose to follow it, and some choose not to. That is why I am not sure that being atheist is even possible. Our bodies are a temple of God, therefor we must all be agnostic at heart.If you feel that I think you do not have the Spirit, then it comes from your own conviction from the Spirit, not me, because I never made such a claim.The scriptures were written by MEN led by the Spirit, and translated several times, by MEN led by the Spirit. It can lead you to the Spirit as well, but no where does it give you the right to be judging people in the manor you are. And you keep mentioning scriptures, and have yet to back up anything you said with scripture. I have asked you now 3 times.Did you pray about it?

Right. But ultimately it is our own spirit.Fundamentalists confuse themselves with external spirits. If there can be one external spirit, there can be more than one, and some of them can be "evil".An internalized spirit is a unified spirit. Right. But fundamentalists, in general, are dishonest with themselves about that. They claim they "know" what they only believe.Yet different fundamentalists "know" different absolutes. Wrong.An atheist says, "My spirit is my psyche."
An agnostic says, "My spirit might have an external source. I don't know."
A theist says, "My spirit comes from God."
A fundamentalist says, "My spirit comes from God, but yours doesn't."Edited by Ringo, : Shpelling.

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just because you are far to the right doesn't mean the news is far to the left. there is, really, NO LEFT in this country. only vaguely left centrists. the usa is generally just slightly right of center.

and in the same breath, you judge the deaths of thousands to be condemnation. shit happens. people do bad things. it doesn't mean god is judging us as a whole. as far as i know, jesus created a personal covenant. jesus didn't say 'whoseover lives in a country that follows my law shall be saved'.

You in many posts have explicitly said you have the Holy Spirit, as if that gives you some kind of edge. Odd thing to say if you think we all have the Holy Spirit. And you certainly feel free to tell me what I should and shouldn't be saying as if you know better than I do about Christian teaching. I KNOW I have the Holy Spirit, many experiences of same.But now you are saying that ALL have the Holy Spirit? Even nonChristians? You are even more out of sync with scripture and Christian teaching than I thought. I pray frequently about what I write here, and concerning this particular message I have had specific Holy Spirit leadings. It is sheer ignorance on your part to call what I'm saying "judging." It is prophetic warning, not judging. Judging is what God does, and He sometimes does it through calamities.

but it is judgement for you to decide that something is in fact a prophetic warning and that it is because of (sin x) {not to be confused with cos x}. there is no bible verse saying "in 2001 and 2005 the usa, that doesn't exist yet, will suffer calamities because of their great sin". therefore, you canot, with any certainty whatsoever, claim that these are judgemental calamities. further, it has (i will restate) always been my understanding that jesus created a personal covenant. the mere idea that under the new covenant god would utilize his old ways of mass judgement is bizarre.

I'm not talking about salvation at all when I talk about God's judgments on nations. Salvation is, as you say, an individual thing. Many who may be killed in a particular judgment may nevertheless be saved. It's not for any of us to judge the individuals in the judgment and I'm certainly not judging them. It is God who does the judging. I don't know that New York or New Orleans deserved anything more than the rest of the nation. That's for God to know. All I know is that nothing happens outside of God's will. I'm expecting other parts of the nation to be hit since nobody is repenting for the sins of the nation so far. Presidents in the past might have called for a day of fasting and prayer for the nation, but we can't do that any more. But Christians do pray for the nation and that helps.Judgment is a good thing if people will take the message seriously. But of course if all they do is gripe about it and insist God had nothing to do with it, no lesson is going to be learned and judgments are only going to increase.Jesus gave us a new covenant for our individual salvation {and many who are caught in calamities are saved}, but God doesn't stop bringing judgment against a sinning world. In fact when Jesus said there will be wars and rumors of wars and earthquakes and so on, He was talking about the increase of calamities before His second coming, and scripture is clear that calamities are God's work and they are a work of judgment:

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Amos 3:6 ...shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done [it]?

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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

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What, all the calamities before Jesus came were God's doing, but all the calamities after Jesus came are not?

i suppose indonesia got fucked because they are sinful muslims eh?not all calamity is judgement. and to randomly decide that these were is silly and presumptuous. how about genocides? that's pretty calamitous. was god punishing the jews or the poles or the rwandans for something? how about the american indians? what about the black death? maybe god was punishing europe for being so stupid and uneducated and overly religious eh?

before jesus came you couldn't eat pigs, but after jesus came you can!
what's the difference between one calamity and one abomination and another?according to my understanding of church doctrine, all judgement is personal. death happens according to plan, but not necessarily for punitive reasons.

That has to do with the meaning of the dietary laws as specific to Israel. These were for setting them apart from the rest of the nations who followed heathen gods, demon gods, to whom the forbidden foods were often sacrificed {edit: The forbidden foods sometimes were creatures that had been put in the role of gods}. But in themselves they are just food and when Jesus triumphed over Satan and his demon hordes the dietary laws were no longer necessary to believers who rejected idols. Even in the New Testament, although it was understood that there was no offense in eating foods sacrificed to idols any more, anyone who still had such a lingering superstition about it, and many of the first Jewish believers did, was counseled to avoid it for the sake of his conscience, and his brethren were admonished not to stumble him over it by preaching freedom from such superstitions. Jesus was the fulfillment and answer to many similar things in the Old Testament. "Abomination" is a word for demon gods throughout the Old Testament. WORSHIPPING the demon gods often brought judgment in the form of calamities. But otherwise there is no connection between the two words. Yes, and I've explicitly said I'm not judging any who died in these catastrophes. Death happened according to God's plan for each individual.That is a completely different thing from the disaster itself being a judgment on the city or the nation for its sins. The disasters of 9/11 and Katrina have reached far beyond those cities and affected all of us, and further similar disasters will only add to these effects.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Old Testament, which was "given for our admonition" even to those who believe in Christ, shows in prophecy after prophecy and event after event that God brings judgment against nations for their sins against His Laws, and often for the worshipping of the demon gods. Knowing the exact causes of particular calamities is not possible for us. And Jesus taught that the sufferers of calamities are no worse than the rest of us too. But nothing happens without God's willing it. Period.Always the response to these judgments should be repentance and drawing closer to God. How many do that?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.