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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Yes, he said that.
He also pointed out it was not called Nazareth until the 3rd century. You will also not find any REFERENCE To any town called nazareth during the 1st century. The town alledgely was big enough to have a synauguogue, (according to the NT). That would have made it big enough to attract notice. Yet, no record of it.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
You will also not find any REFERENCE To any town called nazareth during the 1st century. ... Yet, no record of it. ...except in the bible.
quote: i don't claim to know any greek, but that sure looks like it says "nazaret" to me. apparently, another variant even has it spelled with a theta instead of a tau.
He also pointed out it was not called Nazareth until the 3rd century. so, this raises a question. was matthew even refering to nazara? did he simply make up "nazareth" because it sounded like "nazarite?" the modern nazareth isn't spelling like nazarite, as i pointed out above. they have different roots. is the modern town's name, perhaps, influenced by the bible? such things are kind of commonplace in israel...
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
is the modern town's name, perhaps, influenced by the bible? such things are kind of commonplace in israel... This site offers detailed evidence to support the position that that is what happened: Nazareth The Town that Theology Built It looks like the town was built afterwards to capitalize on the supposed relationship to Christ.
Perambulating to the rescue, in the early 4th century, came the 80-year-old dowager Empress Helena. Preparing the way for an imminent meeting with her maker with a program of 'Works', she made a conscience-salving pilgrimage to Palestine. In the area of Nazareth she could find nothing but an ancient well - in fact the only water source in the area (which in itself demolishes the idea there was ever a 'city' ). No doubt encouraged by canny locals, Helena promptly labelled the hole in the ground 'Mary's Well' and had a small basilica built over the spot. Conveniently, the gospels had failed to make clear exactly where Mary had been when the archangel Gabriel had come calling. Thus the Well site acquired local support for the divine visitation and Nazareth acquired its first church.
Nazareth The Town that Theology Built
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quote: ah, ok, that's all i need to hear. it's yet another "constantine's mother" story. i see, that would make sense. she went around the holy land after constantine's conversion, and apparently named many places totally arbitrarily. as i recall, she claimed to consult the natives, but at best that's only agreeing with local tradition. seek, and you will find. (especially if someone has something to sell)
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
(especially if someone has something to sell) Like wouldn't it be quaint to spend the night in an Inn that George Washington slept in? Maybe even sleep in the same bed ol' George slept in? Suddenly that lumpy old bed in a creaky draft Inn is a night to be remembered. It's all in the marketing. lfen (who is only cynically because there are so many bs'ing marketing weasels and spin meisters shoveling it 24/7)
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truthlover Member (Idle past 4090 days) Posts: 1548 From: Selmer, TN Joined: |
we could make a thread of this, what do fundamentalists make of it when the bible refers to books that are not in the bible? That might be an interesting thread, and it might not. For the most part they ignore it and say "so what?" However, I got a pretty interesting dance from my Greek teacher (I just had one semester) when I asked him about Jude's reference to Enoch. That one's not a passing reference; it's a quote from the Book of Enoch referred to as prophecy and attributed to Enoch.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4141 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Archaeology in Nazareth confirms human habitation since the Stone Age and twenty three tombs from New Testament times have been found in what was then a small village
that doesn't mean that it was nazareth though, the site i believe says they where dated after when jesus died, after 100ad it wasn't called nazareth till after jesus
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Hey, I know someone who owns an old old house that used to be a place where George Washington met for battle plans. The secret room has since been converted to a real room, but the trapdoor down to the kitchen still is there.
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AdminBrian Inactive Member |
Guys, the topic please.
Maybe someone could start a thread on Nazareth? AdminBrian. Edited by AdminBrian, : No reason given.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
That might be an interesting thread, and it might not. For the most part they ignore it and say "so what?" However, I got a pretty interesting dance from my Greek teacher (I just had one semester) when I asked him about Jude's reference to Enoch. That one's not a passing reference; it's a quote from the Book of Enoch referred to as prophecy and attributed to Enoch. interesting. maybe i'll dig up an old post of mine that lists the places the old testament refers to books both within and outside of the bible, and make a new thread...
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Hugh Schonfield covers the origins in some depth in The Passover Plot-Element Books. Whether Nazareanes(Mandaeans),Nazoreans(Notsrim),Nazirites(Hegesippus claims James,the brother of Jesus and head of the community, was a Nazirite--which is at odds with Jesus being 'gluttonous and a winebibber'-Matt 12:19), Schonfield contends that most of these sects had northern (Israel/Samaritan)roots, and were pre-Christian.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Test.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : Irrelevant
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
interesting. maybe i'll dig up an old post of mine that lists the places the old testament refers to books both within and outside of the bible, and make a new thread... Got that post handy, Spiderman? Must have missed that thread. I`ll see if I can dig up the apologetic reasons for dismissing extra-canonical books.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Got that post handy, Spiderman? Must have missed that thread. I`ll see if I can dig up the apologetic reasons for dismissing extra-canonical books. ah, heck. i have a terrible memory. after much searching on this board, i realized i made the post elsewhere. here is the post, in it's entirety. i'm sure i missed a few, like the quote from enoch.
quote: edit: if you like, i'll remove this post after someone starts an appropriate new topic for it, and post it there. Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Thanks, bud. Before a nosy admin pulls us up, any thoughts on the exact Hebrew word for 'book', bearing in mind our concept of book might be more in line with a codex?
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