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jar
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Message 19 of 159 (318411)
06-06-2006 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Brian
06-06-2006 6:04 PM


Re: Already thought of that
Samson's hair was long because he was supposed to be a Nazarite.
Ofcourse Samson could not have been a Nazarite anyway based on his general behavior like ass jawing folk and other violent behavior.
Just another example of why it is mythology and not history.

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jar
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Message 28 of 159 (318494)
06-06-2006 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by riVeRraT
06-06-2006 11:04 PM


Re: Already thought of that
Do you know what a Nazarite was?

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jar
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Message 62 of 159 (319573)
06-09-2006 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by ringo
06-09-2006 2:08 PM


hair today goon tomorrow
riVeRraT writes:
They wouldn't have thought that since he would never regain his birth hair.
to which Ringo replied:
quote:
Read my lips: They did not assiciate Samson's strength with his "birth hair". They associated his strength with his hair, period.
'splain something to me.
I have a 'birth hair'. If I cut that 'birth hair' and it grows back is it no longer the same hair?
Of course, Samson was no mental giant either.
Well he was no Nazarite either, but stupid primary charcters are an essential plot device in many stories and almost all TV shows.

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jar
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Message 72 of 159 (319646)
06-09-2006 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by ringo
06-09-2006 2:53 PM


Re: hair today goon tomorrow
I totally agree. It is a plot device in a very contrived myth, a pot boiler and cliff hanger. But that was the purpose. To get people to listen you have to make the story interesting, and the story of Samson is one of the better such efforts in the bible.
I can see the kids around the campfire now, saying "Tell us the story of Samson and the foxes!" It's a good story, time after time the hero is placed in a position where he id DOOMED, but time after time with God's help he gets out of the crack.

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jar
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Message 74 of 159 (319649)
06-09-2006 6:45 PM
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06-09-2006 6:36 PM


Re: hair today goon tomorrow
The story is not about the sweepings that were on the floor, riVeRraT, but rather the hair on his head. It was cut. It grew back out. It was still the very same hair. You making up stuff about "Birth Hair" does not add anything to the story.

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jar
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Message 81 of 159 (319659)
06-09-2006 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by riVeRraT
06-09-2006 6:53 PM


Re: hair today goon tomorrow
Please explain why "no razor to his head" was mentioned twice in Judges.
Because one of the things a Nazarite was not supposed to do was cut his hair. Or touch dead things. Or be violent. Just more examples of why the tale is fiction.
No it's not. It's hair from the very same head, or hair root, but it is not the very/exact same hair. Your into science, you should know this.
And you claim you are married.
Your wife ever get a haircut and her hair colored? When the hair grows back out, do the roots show the original color? Are you saying that the colored part is physically a different hair than the part showing the original color?
When I get a haircut, all the little hair stubbies don't fall out to be reploaced by all new hair. Now granted, that does happen whether you cut your hair or not so it is very unlikekly that Samson had even one of his "Birth Hairs" left when he got his shave and a haircut---two bits.
riVeRraT, you are free to believe anything you want, but the tale of Samson is a classic fairytale, just like Jack in the Beanstalk.

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jar
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Message 100 of 159 (320809)
06-12-2006 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by riVeRraT
06-12-2006 1:16 PM


Re: Already thought of that
Is killing someone coming into contact with a dead person?
Sorry but that is even funnier than Birth Hair. Yes, killing folk is coming into contact with dead people.

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jar
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Message 106 of 159 (320837)
06-12-2006 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by ringo
06-12-2006 2:58 PM


Re: 15th inning tie score zzzzzz
Why would the Philistines connect Nazarite, a priestly class, with warrior? What was the tradition that Nazarites were powerful?

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jar
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Message 110 of 159 (320866)
06-12-2006 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by riVeRraT
06-12-2006 4:21 PM


Re: Already thought of that
Why does the bible contradict itself so blatently in this regard?
Because it is a plot device riVeRraT. It's the same reason that the folk in the movies open the door that the monster is behind, or race in their cars to save someone instead of picking up the phone.
All the contradictions are in there because they made the story more interesting. That's all. They take advantage of the audience willing suspension of logic and credibility.

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