Is Abiogenesis a fact?

Hi Nosy Ned, "The devil is in the details." So why don't we ask the Satanist?

Minor quibble: it's not so much that the other side is convinced they know the details, but rather that they don't seem to be very interested in them.

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Certainly we agree that:No Life on earth--- something happened --- Oh Look! Life!The problem was that the OP addressed abiogenesis and if it was considered a fact. I apparantly mistook that to mean "chemical interactions that eventually produced self-replicating conglomerations of chemicals that could be classified as living."Mini_Ditka corrected me by saying he was not interested in the manner in which life became. From my point of view this leaves the OP with the much easier question of: Is it considered a fact that there was once no life and later there was life.Easy answer....yup!....time to close the thread....bye...have a nice time....see ya...g'nite.

"Be amazed at this quote by Dr. George Wald (Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard/ Nobel Prize winner in Biology in 1971): "There are only two possible explanations as to how life arose: Spontaneous generation arising to evolution or a supernatural creative act of God...there is not other possibility. Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others, but that just leaves us with only one other possibility...that life came as a supernatural act of creation by God, but I can't accept that philosophy because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution."From Origin/Life and Evolution, Published by Scientific America, 1978."

Herepton, how about you do a bit of research into that quote (perhaps by searching for one of the sentences in Google?), and then come back here and tell us whether you stand by it.

Remarkable. Whomever Herepton copied that quote from got the content, meaning, and even the date and title of the actual article wrong.

Googling for "be amazed at this quote" and "Published by Scientific America, 1978" both yield one hit - Precept Ministries of Austin.

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I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then

Barest of assertions.Ray

I try not to make assertions that I can't support. The actual citation (from 1958), and real text from the article can be read here.Like the people you copied the quote from, you could have found this out for yourself with a google search.

I know the person in Austin Texas who produced the butchered quote. I am going to give him a chance to explain since I have witnessed his integrity in the past. When I hear back from him I will let you know what he said.Ray

Sounds good. In your friend's defense, the butchered quote has apparently been circulating around for quite a while among different creationist websites and was probably a copy of someone else's fabrication; in fact, the version on that website is a slightly "mutated" version from what is pasted elsewhere (mainly, the date is wrong in a different way).

Abiogenesis is not a fact. Life cannot spring up from non-life. how can it reproduce?

Didn't God make Adam from the dust of the Earth (or something like that)?In the context of this topic, a Godly creation of the first life is one of the hypotheses of abiogenesis.Moose

What about non-life springing up from life? i.e. what happens to the material in an organism after the organism is dead?lfen

After an organism is dead other animals eat it. As in the situation with God breathing life into Adam in Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. This means that the earth had no life on it which meant that God had to intervene. He is divine. Only god could have created man and breathed life into him. People did not appear spontaneously. Even in God creating man there was order. First he made the light and seperated it from the dark. Then He made the water seperate from the land. Only after He had all of this created did he make man.