Is Abiogenesis a fact?

I think I can accept your "fact" of abiogenesis, if you would include the possibility of life having come from outer space as being one of the possible processes of abiogenesis.Fact of Abiogenesis - Life did have an initial occurance on Earth"Because of the terminal uncertainties about the very ealiest lifeforms, I question if the collected knowledge about abiogenesis does or ever can be truly elevated to theory status. I personally would prefer sticking to "Hypothesis of Abiogenesis" (HoA).One of the competing hypothesies of abiogenesis could be "Godly creation". Another could be "introduced from space". And so forth. And I don't think you're going to come anywhere close to "proving" any of them.Moose

Didn't God make Adam from the dust of the Earth (or something like that)?In the context of this topic, a Godly creation of the first life is one of the hypotheses of abiogenesis.Moose

I haven't reviewed the beginings of this topic, but I think the essential theme of this topic is that, however it may have happened, life did come from non-life. Even if the event happened off-Earth, it still happened. Thus the assertion that abiogenesis is a fact.I guess the "catch" might be hard core ex-nihlism. That God created life not from non-life, but rather from absolutely nothing. Even then, there seems to be the exception that God created Adam from the dust of the Earth. So God created both by ex-nihlism and non-ex-nihlism, or perhaps by semi-ex-nihlism.The main problem with the Bible, is that the details of the hows of God's creative process is vague to nonexistant. The theist scientific side (theistic evolutionists or quasi theistic evolutionists) would argue that the evidence of what is the universe is the evidence of God's creation process. But then, I probably should have saved this paragraph for my "Great Debate" topic with Faith, Two Different Stories About the Creation - Faith and Moose only.Bottom line - Perhaps both a deeply profound and also a rather wishy-washy topic concept.Moose

I think the value in this topic is because of the common creationist line of reasoning connecting abiogeneis and biological evolution. They think they can disprove biological evolution by disproving abiogenesis. This is as opposed the the evolutionist postion that "somehow life started" (ie some variety of abiogenesis is a fact), then evolution happened.So, even if the ultimate origin of life was an act of God, that still sets the stage for biological evolution. Not wanting to risk fragmenting the topic, but simular could be said about the even bigger picture - Somehow the universe started (act of God?), and it evolved from there. There is the concept of topic focus.Perhaps this topic should have started out with the title "Theological Abiogenesis", with a message 1 that more focused on that idea.Moose