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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi Nosy Ned,
NosyNed writes: One side knows it doesn't know the details; the other seems convinced it does but has never offered any. "The devil is in the details." So why don't we ask the Satanist?
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
NosyNed writes: One side knows it doesn't know the details; the other seems convinced it does but has never offered any. Minor quibble: it's not so much that the other side is convinced they know the details, but rather that they don't seem to be very interested in them. Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4705 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
Certainly we agree that:
No Life on earth--- something happened --- Oh Look! Life! The problem was that the OP addressed abiogenesis and if it was considered a fact. I apparantly mistook that to mean "chemical interactions that eventually produced self-replicating conglomerations of chemicals that could be classified as living." Mini_Ditka corrected me by saying he was not interested in the manner in which life became. From my point of view this leaves the OP with the much easier question of: Is it considered a fact that there was once no life and later there was life. Easy answer....yup!....time to close the thread....bye...have a nice time....see ya...g'nite.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
"Be amazed at this quote by Dr. George Wald (Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard/ Nobel Prize winner in Biology in 1971):
"There are only two possible explanations as to how life arose: Spontaneous generation arising to evolution or a supernatural creative act of God...there is not other possibility. Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others, but that just leaves us with only one other possibility...that life came as a supernatural act of creation by God, but I can't accept that philosophy because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution." From Origin/Life and Evolution, Published by Scientific America, 1978."
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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
Herepton, how about you do a bit of research into that quote (perhaps by searching for one of the sentences in Google?), and then come back here and tell us whether you stand by it.
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5115 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
Remarkable. Whomever Herepton copied that quote from got the content, meaning, and even the date and title of the actual article wrong.
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6383 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
Googling for "be amazed at this quote" and "Published by Scientific America, 1978" both yield one hit - Precept Ministries of Austin.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Remarkable. Whomever Herepton copied that quote from got the content, meaning, and even the date and title of the actual article wrong. Barest of assertions. Ray
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5115 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
Herepton writes:
I try not to make assertions that I can't support. The actual citation (from 1958), and real text from the article can be read here. Barest of assertions. Like the people you copied the quote from, you could have found this out for yourself with a google search.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I know the person in Austin Texas who produced the butchered quote. I am going to give him a chance to explain since I have witnessed his integrity in the past. When I hear back from him I will let you know what he said.
Ray
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5115 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
Herepton writes:
Sounds good. In your friend's defense, the butchered quote has apparently been circulating around for quite a while among different creationist websites and was probably a copy of someone else's fabrication; in fact, the version on that website is a slightly "mutated" version from what is pasted elsewhere (mainly, the date is wrong in a different way).
I know the person in Austin Texas who produced the butchered quote. I am going to give him a chance to explain since I have witnessed his integrity in the past. When I hear back from him I will let you know what he said.
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alphablu82 Inactive Member |
Abiogenesis is not a fact. Life cannot spring up from non-life. how can it reproduce?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Life cannot spring up from non-life. Didn't God make Adam from the dust of the Earth (or something like that)? In the context of this topic, a Godly creation of the first life is one of the hypotheses of abiogenesis. Moose
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lfen Member (Idle past 4707 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Life cannot spring up from non-life. What about non-life springing up from life? i.e. what happens to the material in an organism after the organism is dead? lfen
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alphablu82 Inactive Member |
After an organism is dead other animals eat it. As in the situation with God breathing life into Adam in Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. This means that the earth had no life on it which meant that God had to intervene. He is divine. Only god could have created man and breathed life into him. People did not appear spontaneously. Even in God creating man there was order. First he made the light and seperated it from the dark. Then He made the water seperate from the land. Only after He had all of this created did he make man.
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