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Author Topic:   Is Abiogenesis a fact?
LinearAq
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Message 11 of 303 (273869)
12-29-2005 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
12-28-2005 7:03 PM


Definitions would help
In the OP, Mini_Ditka writes:
My question is can we consider Abiogenesis a fact?
From the Christian Apologetics site - http://www.carm.org/evolution/evoterms.htm :
quote:
Abiogenesis - the hypothetical process where life spontaneously formed from organic material that had arisen from inorganic material.
From the Talk.Origins Archive - 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Glossary
quote:
abiogenesis Not to be confused with "spontaneous generation," it is the theory that life originally arose from non-living matter, given the proper conditions during the early earth.
From these definitions, I would say that you are asking about life from non-life rather than if the Martians left their DNA while copulating in the ocean before they left for another galaxy.
There are a number of experiments going on concerning this subject. Despite some promising results, I don't think that the scientific community at large is stating that abiogenesis is a fact.

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LinearAq
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Message 12 of 303 (273871)
12-29-2005 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
12-29-2005 2:13 PM


Options
Even though this may seem obvious to all of us... It seems important to me at least, that we are fairly sure this is a valid assumption (of course the alternative would be that life has always existed on earth, which I would agree seems impossible).
You seem to have overlooked the chance that a god had a hand/tenticle/noodly appendage in it.
Many assume that abiogenesis means that there was no supernatural force acting on the chemicals that clumped together. So, gods causing the initial lifeform could be an option.
Aliens too...but you put that in with abiogenesis for some unfathomable reason.
edited to get my quote box right
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LinearAq
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Message 14 of 303 (273875)
12-29-2005 3:02 PM
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12-29-2005 2:55 PM


Got caught up in the definitions
Ok...
Then all you are asking is whether life has been on earth back through infinity past.
I would say...hmmmmm...nope! Since the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe seems to be only ~14 billion years old, then inifinity past for life on earth is pretty much out of the question.

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LinearAq
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Message 18 of 303 (273944)
12-29-2005 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by NosyNed
12-29-2005 3:20 PM


Re: An agreement...maybe not.
Certainly we agree that:
No Life on earth--- something happened --- Oh Look! Life!
The problem was that the OP addressed abiogenesis and if it was considered a fact. I apparantly mistook that to mean "chemical interactions that eventually produced self-replicating conglomerations of chemicals that could be classified as living."
Mini_Ditka corrected me by saying he was not interested in the manner in which life became. From my point of view this leaves the OP with the much easier question of: Is it considered a fact that there was once no life and later there was life.
Easy answer....yup!....time to close the thread....bye...have a nice time....see ya...g'nite.

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