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Message 215 of 304 (270171)
12-16-2005 7:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 214 by RobertFitz
12-16-2005 7:06 PM

Go to a faith based school and ask them.
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Went to a Faith based school. And they taught us to look at the evidence and to go with the conclusions based on the evidence. Anything else is not only bad science, it's worse theology.
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Message 218 of 304 (270187)
12-16-2005 8:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 217 by Philip
12-16-2005 8:02 PM

Re: N.A.S. "Scientists" Fart Big Ones with the Stats...
Farting boldly: “the NAS states unequivocally that creationism has no place in any science curriculum at any level.”
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Well, ignoring the sophomoric wording of your statement, as a Christian I would agree that it is true that "There is no place for Creationism in any science curriculum at any level.”
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Message 256 of 304 (271126)
12-20-2005 1:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 253 by RobertFitz
12-20-2005 7:13 AM

Insane?
So you're saying all of the people who believe in the bible are insane because they;
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I would say that YECs and those that believe in a literal interpretation of the Creation accounts show willfull ignorance or simple ignorance. Those who are simply ignorant will, over time, learn more and abandon such literal interpretations.
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That leaves those who are willfully ignorant. Is that a sign of insanity or simply a sign of stubbornness? I realy don't know. If it's a mental illness then they should be excused for their behavior, but their limitations regarding their ability to analize evidence and make rational decisions should be noted.
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In either case they should be kept out of decision making positions where their inability to make rational decisions might cause harm to others. That is no different than saying that a blind man should not drive the bus.
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By the way, to refute your previous point about God's vicar on earth accepting evolution, see this;
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There is nothing in the link you provided that supports your assertion that the Pope does not support the Theory of Evolution.
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Message 264 of 304 (271352)
12-21-2005 11:07 AM 		Reply to: Message 260 by Philip
12-21-2005 10:51 AM

Re: Insane Theistic-Evos?
(Note, please go easy on me, I’m just suggesting that science-education might seem less flawed if it tolerated a creation-event or something).
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It's hard to understand what you're saying so if I'm misunderstanding you, please correct my mistakes.
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I think you are saying that Science should allow for one supernatural intervention. If that is correct,my answer is a resounding NO!.
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Allowing even one super-natural event as scientific means that all of our scientific knowledge must be thrown out. We can no longer rely on medicine or any other field of knowledge.
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Message 269 of 304 (271377)
12-21-2005 11:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 266 by Philip
12-21-2005 11:13 AM

Re: One Creation Event
The difference is that I hold that as a personal belief, not a scientific fact.
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Message 278 of 304 (271453)
12-21-2005 1:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 275 by Philip
12-21-2005 1:06 PM

Re: A Creation-Event Invalidating Applied Science?
I don't understand your post at all. It seems simply a compendium of irrational suppositions.
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(You understand my dilemma)
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No, not at all.
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Sincere science-educators might admit "fatal flaws", "black-box limitations", historical ToE fallacies, etc.
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What fatal flaws? What TOE fallacies? What black-box limitations?
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Sorry, but unless you can provide some examples I can't have a clue what you are talking about.
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Currently (by your logic), I construe your 'guarded' theistic notions perhaps as:
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(1) Tentative hypotheses/conjectures that help 'explain'
(2) Another *scientific* evidence of *some* metaphysical reality (though personal)
(3) A possible serious evasion of metaphysical reality 'fitting' in
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I don't see how you can possible get any of those concepts from anything I've said.
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Message 279 of 304 (271455)
12-21-2005 2:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 277 by Philip
12-21-2005 1:46 PM

Re: Evo-Science and Life's Origins?
What publishable disclaimer(s), might you propose to keep the N.A.S. and/or 9th grade biology-educators in check. Perhaps, elaborate more on your daughter's. Or, what about your statement:
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What makes you think they need to be kept in check. ID and Classic Biblical Creationism are neither science or good theology. They need to be relegated to the area of philosophy and supposition and kept out of ANY science class.
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Message 281 of 304 (271466)
12-21-2005 2:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 280 by Philip
12-21-2005 2:31 PM

Re: N.A.S. Evo-Knowledge vs. My Cat's
1) God (specially) created Heaven and Earth
2) God (specially) created living entities
3) God (specially) created "psyches"
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Any such statements would be, thank GOD, unconstitutional as well as really really bad science.
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Message 288 of 304 (271780)
12-22-2005 4:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 286 by Philip
12-22-2005 3:24 PM

What are you talking about?
I'm sorry Philip but you post is simply utter trash and nonsense.
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Should little Sally fully trust everything she reads from Philip, Jar, the N.A.S. and other biology hirelings?
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No, little Sally should be taught the tools of critical thinking so that she can recognize the lies and distortions spewed forth by the supporters of ID, Biblical Creationism and much of the Conservative Christian movement.
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Message 304 of 304 (278524)
01-12-2006 7:09 PM

Well, with that observation, the sun sinks below the horizon
Witching hour folk.
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