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Author Topic:   Why TOE is not accepted
Yaro
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Message 232 of 318 (228478)
08-01-2005 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by randman
08-01-2005 12:20 PM


Re: Evidence please
Show the men that debunked Haeckel back in the 1800s, and show that they were evolutionists, please.
You mentioned him, Karl von Baer.
Further, as per the wiki, Haeckels theory passed out of favor early in the early 1900's. Seems like it didn't last but a couple of decades to me.
Also, as to Baer, he was an evolutionist. Just being critical about Darwin does not make you anti-evolution. As a matter of fact very little of Darwin is still mainstream science. Just the core of TOE has survived over the years.
From the Wiki:
Baer was evolutionist, however critical towards Darwin's theory. Baer has established a major alternative to the darwinian paradigm in biology.
Now it's your turn to answer my question which you compleatly avoided:
Please provided evidence where a MODERN, PRACTICING, EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST, is promoting this debunked theory?
Note the emphasis on modern. Alot has changed in scince over the centuries.

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Yaro
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Message 234 of 318 (228484)
08-01-2005 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by randman
08-01-2005 1:07 PM


Re: Evidence please
Again:
Please provided evidence where a MODERN, PRACTICING, EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST, is promoting this debunked theory?
Note the emphasis on modern. Alot has changed in science over the centuries.
Any answers?
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Yaro
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Message 240 of 318 (228512)
08-01-2005 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by randman
08-01-2005 1:58 PM


Re: Evidence please
Yaro, quit being a jerk.
Ooooo, nice. No evidence then?
You are the one refusing to deal with the evidence, and falsely claiming that only evolutionists exposed Haeckel's fraud.
I never said Only, I said scientists working in the field. It never boils down to one individual. As far as Baer is concerned, he promoted an alternate hypothesis to darwin, he was not a creationist by any means. Infact, Baers book is titled "The History of the Evolution of Animals".
http://www.serpentfd.org/b/vonbaer.html
Even if Baer flat out disagrees with darwin, he lived in the 1870's, long before genetics. Further, he disagreed on scientific ground based on THEN contemporary evidence. He was not promoting creation, but rather his own hypthesis of descent which in his view conflicted with darwins.
When are you going to back up your claims?
I'm not making any. Your the one whos saying scientists are still perpetuating the so called "myth".
your little disinformation demand question has no relevance since I clearly stated that parts of recapitulation and the use of Haeckel's drawings have now finally been abandoned.
Finally? try late 1800's early 1900's. Finally?
Whats your damn point then? It's been a 130 years!
That doesn't change the fact evolutionists for over 100 years made false claims concerning the data, claims they never substantiated as they claimed they had.
Over 100 years huh? Funny, since the theory was discredited in the late 1800's and abandoned early in the 1900's. Funny how you keep missing this.
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Yaro
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Message 241 of 318 (228513)
08-01-2005 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by randman
08-01-2005 1:58 PM


Re: Evidence please
Oh ya, so you gonna back peddle on this or should I ask one more time?
Please provided evidence where a MODERN, PRACTICING, EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST, is promoting this debunked theory?
Note the emphasis on modern. Alot has changed in science over the centuries.
Any answers?

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Yaro
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Message 256 of 318 (228585)
08-01-2005 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Philip
08-01-2005 7:20 PM


Re: What is truth?
Unfortunately, "naturalistic evidence" doesn’t really seem to explain: If I were to die today would I know for certain if I’d go to Heaven or Hell. Such *truth* weighs heavy on my mind.
Nature dosn't care.
There is no proof of heaven/hell, why worry about it?

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Yaro
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Message 286 of 318 (228975)
08-02-2005 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Faith
08-02-2005 7:53 PM


Genetic depletion?.
I answered this yesterday. The barrier is in the fact that there is no observed transcendance of a species either. What there is is simply variations on the kind/species that are artificially defined as "speciation" which obscures the reality of what is really going on. What are called new species are at least in some cases actually severely genetically depleted breeds, so depleted that they have lost the capacity to interbreed with the parent species, but also so depleted that they have no genetic capacity for further adaptation. It is a very strange idea that a new "species" would be exactly the genetic result that has the LEAST capacity to evolve beyond its current adaptation, or in some cases, such as the cheetah, that can't evolve in any direction whatever.
Can you define Genetic Depletion and provide any evidence that such a process occures. Thank you.

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Yaro
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Message 288 of 318 (228977)
08-02-2005 8:43 PM
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08-02-2005 8:38 PM


Re: Genetic depletion?.
hehe, is there already one? I really want to talk about it. I hear creos bring it up alot and I'm not clear on how it works

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Yaro
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Message 297 of 318 (229138)
08-03-2005 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by nator
08-03-2005 9:18 AM


Re: where's the evidence?
Don't do it schraf! Your not supposed to ask for scientific evidence in this thread.

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