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Philip
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Message 255 of 318 (228582)
08-01-2005 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
07-29-2005 12:39 AM


What is truth?
You stated: "They don't care about the truth."
Ribinrohan, the mega-ToE makes more sense to me than, say, inflationary theory compensating for big-bang-theory-fallacies:
(Like, Farthest stars = 15-18 billion light-years away ---> how did those stars get 15-18 billion light-years away so fast? --> ??????
Voila, Presto: Inflationary theory that the *pre-universe* (or something) expanded exponentially faster than the speed of light)
Have you seen all those advanced equations and calculus, Robinrohan, supporting inflationary theory? Who pays these *science researchers*?
Unfortunately, "naturalistic evidence" doesn’t really seem to explain: If I were to die today would I know for certain if I’d go to Heaven or Hell. Such *truth* weighs heavy on my mind.
And, if sub-quarkian matter *really* evolved into human geniuses and/or Christs, I’d have to lose my religion.
Thus, science for science sake seems (to me) destructive to any *faith and love* typology I might cherish.
I’d also scratch out eternal justice and salvation from my wish list.
In sum, Mega-ToEs seem perhaps a stumbling-block both (1) to evolutionary sciences (i.e., stellar evolution, above) and (2) to some persons’ faith in God and Salvation (per se).

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Philip
Member (Idle past 4752 days)
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From: Albertville, AL, USA
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Message 280 of 318 (228766)
08-02-2005 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Yaro
08-01-2005 7:35 PM


Re: What is truth?
Thanks for your response, Yaro.
While *nature* doesn't seem to care, I'd rather not sear my conscience and *metaphysical nature* to give free-reign to my natural lusts (a desperately wretched).
In sum both my *conscience* and *stream of consciousness* cause me to worry that my metaphysical being is far more accountable and responsible than nature, not to mention biblical prophecies and *natures excellencies* (if you will) abounding toward me (i.e., food, raimenent, a wife) that *seem ordered from God*.

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Philip
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Posts: 656
From: Albertville, AL, USA
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Message 284 of 318 (228967)
08-02-2005 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by robinrohan
08-02-2005 6:42 AM


Re: Accepting Christ's Sayings and the ToE
Robin, you (thoughtfully) stated:
One can believe in natural selection and believe in God at the same time. One can believe that God created the first life form and at the same time one can also believe in the Biological Theory of Evolution. One can believe that life came from non-life and still believe in God. One can believe in Big Bang and "inflationary theory" (whatever that is) and still believe in God. And Christ for that matter.
Actually, I have no right to refute the above statement since faith in any gospel seems to transcend all naturalistic logic (I think) and might even allow for *miraculous additions of new genetic information via beneficial mutations* (which I view the macro-bio-ToE subtly camouflages under a guise of NS).
But, if quarks, sub-quarkian matter (if there be such a thing), and/or *first-life-form(s)* *empirically* evolved into Christ, I perceive that as enormous mockery by the devil.
Finally you stated: There's only one belief you would have to drop: a literal belief in the Biblical Genesis. I’d ask you, Robin:
Would I be able to keep a literal belief in:
1) Exodus’s cosmic plagues?
2) Jonah’s fish story: being buried 3 days and 3 nights in a fish?
3) Christ being buried 3 days and 3 nights, risen, ascended (etc.) ?
4) Christ’s (and NT) apocalyptic and gospel references to Genesis, Adam, the Flood, Jonah, etc.?
So my stumbling-block remains thus:
1) The macro-biological ToE subtly but effectively debunks Christ’s sayings concerning Genesis.
2) The ToE seems diametrically opposed to faith in Christ as the cornerstone of *life*.
3) Faith in the Resurrection and the Life makes it all too *easy* to believe in a literal Genesis vs. the ToE (i.e., As per Heb 11:3 KJV, which plainly declares: Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear).
(Note: I spent way too much time on this. You don’t have to respond your time is precious. Anyone who has time is welcome to provide feedback)

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Philip
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Posts: 656
From: Albertville, AL, USA
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Message 296 of 318 (229137)
08-03-2005 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by robinrohan
08-03-2005 8:32 AM


Re: Rejecting ToE for Faith
I have received your thoughtful *spiritual* feedback and hopefully will respond shortly while trying to stay on topic:
"Why the ToE is not accepted" ...i.e., by fundys (without trying to beg fundy-religion, predestination, *the fewest miracles*, etc.)
One other small point might be added (for anyone to lurk upon):
1) When science (per se) supports *my faith* it helps that faith become more bullet-proof (against my doubts and hopelessness). As I do podiatric medicine, surgery, cut toenails, etc., I often rejoice in the exquisite anatomical and histological entities as fearfully and wonderfully made (vs. arbitrarily evolved or something) and look *toward heaven* instead of toward *endless genealogies*.

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