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redstang281
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Message 1 of 211 (1847)
01-10-2002 4:11 PM


The website describes how you can do it.
All you have to do is prove evolution is fact.
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=250k

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redstang281
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Message 12 of 211 (1887)
01-11-2002 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by joz
01-11-2002 7:24 AM


Say what you want about Kent Hovind.
The fact is no one can collect the $250,000.
"I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief. "
Evolution is just a belief.

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redstang281
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Message 15 of 211 (1901)
01-11-2002 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by joz
01-11-2002 9:24 AM


a)will the panel consist of a bunch of dyed in the wool creationists?
Who would you suggest the panel consist of?

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redstang281
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Message 16 of 211 (1902)
01-11-2002 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by edge
01-11-2002 11:05 AM


quote:
Originally posted by edge:
Well, Kent has never taken up my offer of $1 million to anyone who can prove creationism, either.... That's a fact!

Creation isn't in the text books at school. Why is the big bang put in the text books when it's just a theory that can't be proven. It is presented as fact.
[b] [QUOTE] Creationism is not even a belief. It is a wish.
[/b][/QUOTE]
Kent is offering for anyone to prove the earth is millions of years old, and no one can do it. Believe the earth is millions of years old is a wish.

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redstang281
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Message 24 of 211 (1918)
01-11-2002 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by edge
01-11-2002 12:30 PM


quote:
Originally posted by edge:
quote:
Originally posted by redstang281:
a)will the panel consist of a bunch of dyed in the wool creationists?
Who would you suggest the panel consist of?

\
Do you usually answer questions with questions? In fact, the panel would be made up of dyed in the wool creationists, with Kent having and overriding veto power. Hardly a true test of the validity of evolution. The challenge is a red herring. It goes over well with the scientifically untutored, but has little to do with reality.

According to Kent that's not what the panel consist of.
"A committee of trained scientists will provide peer review of the evidence offered and, to the best of their ability, will be fair and honest in their evaluation and judgment as to the validity of the evidence presented. "
What do you have to show what the committee consists of other than your oppinion?

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redstang281
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Message 25 of 211 (1919)
01-11-2002 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by mark24
01-11-2002 1:46 PM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
LOL, Kent is as gullible as he is a liar.

He's not the one printing evolution in textbooks as fact when it's never been proven.

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redstang281
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Message 26 of 211 (1920)
01-11-2002 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by edge
01-11-2002 12:49 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by edge:
[B] Wrong, he is offering to pay anyone who can prove evolution. And no, it is not a belief. There is abundant evidence to support it. You may wish to ignore that evidence but you can't make it go away.
Oh, well I guess no one wants $250,000 then. Hmm, makes sense.

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redstang281
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Message 37 of 211 (1956)
01-12-2002 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by sld
01-12-2002 1:07 AM


"Persons wishing to collect the $250,000 may submit their evidence in writing or schedule time for a public presentation. "
You can even submit your evidence in writting without a debate! Yet no one has collected it.

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redstang281
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Message 41 of 211 (1964)
01-12-2002 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by edge
01-12-2002 1:38 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by edge:
[b] Persons wishing to collect the $1 million dollars may submit their evidence to me and my committe in writing or go for a public presentation, also. No one has tried yet! [/QUOTE]
[/b]
Creationists don't claim their theory can be proven by science. Evolution does.
[b]
[QUOTE] By the way, how do we know that Kent has the money. Wasn't he convicted of tax fraud or something? My money is just a good as his, by the way. [/b][/QUOTE]
He started the bet 10 years ago with $10,000. No one has collected it.
I'm sure he has the money. But even if he didn't have the money, don't you think evolutionist would prove evolution to him just to shut him up?

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redstang281
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Message 43 of 211 (1966)
01-12-2002 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by joz
01-12-2002 12:32 PM


quote:
Originally posted by joz:
joz:
It is also worth noting the april fools hoax he fell for....
http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.htm
I thought it was pretty funny as is but the thought of Dr Dino falling for it really made me laugh....
TC
--Just wondering, where is the rebutal?
You need to see a rubutal? For that?

I think it's pretty funny everyone trys to change the subject away from DrDino's bet.
I guess if you can't prove evolution and collect $250,000 the next best thing to try would be to make DrDino out to look stupid.

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redstang281
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Message 66 of 211 (2047)
01-14-2002 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by joz
01-12-2002 1:32 PM


quote:
Originally posted by joz:
Here is an analogy of this challenge...
I will give you $250,000, the crown jewels and the moon if you provide me with evidence that that "no more a prince .... Egypt" prophecy is fulfilled.

I'll keep that in mind. Just remember it's the crown jewels, not the family variety.
[This message has been edited by redstang281, 01-14-2002]

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redstang281
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Message 67 of 211 (2048)
01-14-2002 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by edge
01-12-2002 1:43 PM


[b] [QUOTE] Evolutionists don't say that science proves evolution, either. It supports evolution overwhelmingly, but proof? You need to go elsewhere for that.
[/b][/QUOTE]
Then I want every single school textbook that the kids are learning to say that the theory has never been proven.
You know that those books present evolution as proven fact, and that simple isn't true.
Until anything is proven fact it's just a belief.

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redstang281
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Message 68 of 211 (2050)
01-14-2002 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by nator
01-13-2002 10:01 AM


[b] [QUOTE] Evolution is a fact, because we observe and infer it in nature.
[/b][/QUOTE]
There are six different kinds of evolution that would have to happen to get us where we are today.
Only ONE has been observed and that is adaptation. Assuming that adaptation proves the other 5 forms of evolution is in no way scientifically provable.
Adaptation is also evident of a "good design."

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redstang281
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Message 72 of 211 (2055)
01-14-2002 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by mark24
01-14-2002 9:40 AM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
Firstly, that it is presented as the "theory of evolution", or "evolutionary theory" is indicative that it is not 100% proven. Nothing in science is. I suppose your going to tell me that God isn't represented in church as anything less than absolute Truth to young people?
Secondly a belief has no evidential basis, a scientific theory does. God is belief, ToE is scientific theory.

People go to truth because they believe in God and want to know more about God. If someone doesn't believe in God, they don't have to go to church. If someone doesn't believe in all the 6 types of evolution they still have to go to school.
Creation has scientific basis and religious basis.
Evolution just has the belief that it is scientific based.

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redstang281
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Message 77 of 211 (2119)
01-15-2002 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by mark24
01-14-2002 10:28 AM


[QUOTE][b]
People who go to religious schools because their parents make them have God presented as 100% FACT. They also have the THEORY of evolution presented to them. [/QUOTE]
[/b]
Then kids should be presented with creation in schools as well.

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