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pink sasquatch
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Message 25 of 90 (188985)
02-27-2005 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by tsig
02-27-2005 1:34 PM


obviously, no....
Yes, we could it would be obvious.
You've just used the ID argument that fails every time...
My guess is that the Old Man in the Mountain was indeed a sculpture, it was simply not done in the same refined style as Rushmore or the Sphinx. Instead, the artist decided on a more abstract, rough-hewn, natural design that would not totally disrupt the existing landscape (as Rushmore does).
It's sooooo obvious, isn't it?

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pink sasquatch
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Message 37 of 90 (189747)
03-03-2005 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by tsig
03-01-2005 8:51 PM


design or not, it's not "obvious"
Where's the culture that produced the Old Man?
Extinct? Extraterrestial? Supernatural?
Any evidence that American Indians were into sculpture on a grand scale?
I didn't say anything about American Indians, but since you asked:
More info on the Nazca, and the hundreds of massive sculptures they produced.
Or how about:
More info on moundbuilding, a practice that spread from coast-to-coast in North America.
Why did all the lines on th face follow natural fault lines with no sign of working?
As I said before, the artist deliberately worked with the natural material along its natural lines so that it would blend into the landscape. This is quite similar to the style exhibited by the Nazca and the Moundbuilders, who produce massive sculpture that disappears into the landscape.
No signs of working? Perhaps the work is ancient enough that those signs have been lost to weathering. Or perhaps alien technology leaves no marks that we can understand. Or maybe an ancient New Hampshirian shaman used her telekinetic powers to break the rock along its fault lines without direct physical contact.
Quite frankly, I think your claim that you can "obviously" detect "absence of design" is as outrageous as the ID claim that they can "obviously" detect "design".

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pink sasquatch
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Message 40 of 90 (189796)
03-03-2005 1:37 PM
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03-03-2005 12:42 PM


BUT it's sooo obvious that it is not obvious!
If the difference between a carving, known to be the work of man, and a natural product of weathering isn't obvious to you, I can't help that.
Quite the non-rebuttal. You've simply restated the problem that I was addressing.
Perhaps I should counter by stating, "Well, it is quite obvious that it is not obvious. If it isn't obvious to you, I can't help that."
Do you see the absurdity?
Many IDers and Creationists state that it is obvious that life is the product of design. Usually when confronted they reply with a ridiculous comment like "I don't need evidence, since it is obvious - if it isn't obvious to you, I can't help that."
Your claim is no different...
Since you have a mastery of the obvious, is the following a product of intelligent design or non-intelligent forces?:
How specifically do you know?

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pink sasquatch
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Message 46 of 90 (189883)
03-03-2005 6:39 PM
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03-03-2005 5:02 PM


Re: BUT it's sooo obvious that it is not obvious!
Original topic:
How IDers confuse living with non-living things.
True, but then you claimed that you could detect non-design based on obviousness. This is the same (il)logic used by the IDers that you criticize in the OP. That sort of thing screams "hypocrisy" when you read it...

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pink sasquatch
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Message 49 of 90 (189889)
03-03-2005 7:31 PM
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03-03-2005 7:19 PM


Re: BUT it's sooo obvious that it is not obvious!
So now I'm a hypocrite.
I didn't say that.
You should just be careful using the same arguments that you criticize others for using.

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