Every evolutionist has a chance to win $250,000

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Originally posted by redstang281:
The website describes how you can do it.

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All you have to do is prove evolution is fact.

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Here are a few more accounts of Hovinds fallacious offer.... http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_bogus_challenge.htmhttp://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_phony_challenge.htmhttp://www.nmsr.org/HOVIND.HTM#Proverbs

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Say what you want about Kent Hovind.

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The fact is no one can collect the $250,000.

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"I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief. "

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Say what I want huh...He reserves the right to choose the panel that judges the submissions...Presumably to screen out anyone who would actually know empirical evidence if it bit them in the arse...He reserves the right to screen the evidence presented and only show the panel that evidence he chooses to...I`m starting to wonder...a)will the panel consist of a bunch of dyed in the wool creationists?b)will he accept and pass along any evidence that counters his claims?c)does the $250,000 even exist?The offer is to be short spurious....

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Who would you suggest the panel consist of?

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Well as creationists would be biased against the evidence and atheist/agnostics biased towards it non-creationist theists would seem like a good compromise...Also, as scientific proof would be presented, the panel members should be scientists not lawyers, theologians etc...In short the panel should not just be Dr (from a diploma mill I might add) Dino and his ideological nearest and dearest....

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Creation isn't in the text books at school. Why is the big bang put in the text books when it's just a theory that can't be proven. It is presented as fact.

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1) It is presented as the best possible naturalistic explanation of certain data namely:2) Hubble redshiftnot as a fact...

It is also worth noting the april fools hoax he fell for.... http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.htmI thought it was pretty funny as is but the thought of Dr Dino falling for it really made me laugh....

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Originally posted by redstang281:
According to Kent that's not what the panel consist of.

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"A committee of trained scientists will provide peer review of the evidence offered and, to the best of their ability, will be fair and honest in their evaluation and judgment as to the validity of the evidence presented. "

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What do you have to show what the committee consists of other than your oppinion?

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I guess if you had taken a look at these first time round you would already know.... http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_bogus_challenge.htmhttp://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_phony_challenge.htmhttp://www.nmsr.org/HOVIND.HTM#ProverbsFor someone who feels confident enough to stump up $250,000 he sure declines a lot of offers to debate with his detractors.....

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Originally posted by redstang281:
He's not the one printing evolution in textbooks as fact when it's never been proven.

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Red nothing in science is given as fact it is just the best naturalistic explanation of observed phenomena......For example Newtonian mechanics is very accurate.... unless what your looking at gets to small or goes to fast (which is where Quantum mechanics and Relativity come in)..... So while Newtonian mechanics is a good approximation it is not a *Fact*......(good enough to get man to the moon at any rate)....

joz:
It is also worth noting the april fools hoax he fell for....
http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.htmI thought it was pretty funny as is but the thought of Dr Dino falling for it really made me laugh....TC
--Just wondering, where is the rebutal?You need to see a rubutal? For that?

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Originally posted by minnemooseus:
The rebutal:
http://www.nmsr.org/april_fool.html

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Moose

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Also given that I found it here http://www.nmsr.org/HOVIND.HTM#Proverbs
(note I have posted this link twice on this very thread )Could it be that someone didnt bother reading it?

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Originally posted by redstang281:
I think it's pretty funny everyone trys to change the subject away from DrDino's bet.

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I guess if you can't prove evolution and collect $250,000 the next best thing to try would be to make DrDino out to look stupid.

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We don`t need to he does well enough all on his own.....

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Originally posted by redstang281:
He started the bet 10 years ago with $10,000. No one has collected it.

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I'm sure he has the money. But even if he didn't have the money, don't you think evolutionist would prove evolution to him just to shut him up?

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Here is an analogy of this challenge...
I will give you $250,000, the crown jewels and the moon if you provide me with evidence that that "no more a prince .... Egypt" prophecy is fulfilled.I get to look at the data and choose what gets shown to the panel.You will interact with the panel exclusively through me.I will choose the panel.You don't get to know who is on the panel.But it will probably consist of people who are ideologically opposed to finding in your favour.If it exists at all.Do you reckon you could win that bet?Didn't think so....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by redstang281:
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Then I want every single school textbook that the kids are learning to say that the theory has never been proven.

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You know that those books present evolution as proven fact, and that simple isn't true.

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Until anything is proven fact it's just a belief.
[/QUOTE]The THEORY of evolution is not a fact, in the same way as Newtons laws are not a fact they are theories and are taught as such.....Nothing in science is a 100% certainty fact. All science is potentially falsifiable and therefore not fact.....

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Originally posted by redstang281:
People go to truth because they believe in God and want to know more about God. If someone doesn't believe in God, they don't have to go to church. If someone doesn't believe in all the 6 types of evolution they still have to go to school.

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Actually if their parents feel that strongly about it they could home school them - something that the dear old doctor recommends himself......And children dont go to school to keep them busy they go to learn things, in science education this means learning what science is, how it works (both of which you seem to have avoided learning) and familiarization with current scientific concepts...

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Originally posted by mark24:
I was. 6 day genesis, resurrection etc. was shoveled down my throat. NO-ONE said it was "theory".

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Mark

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What school did you go to man....I went to a CoE school and it was alright apart from RE classes, oh and being forced to sing hymns and pray....

Actually bud both Mark and I are brits...sounds like we both went to state schools...the state religion is CoE (Church of England = Anglican)....so we were taught Religious education as a mandatory subject...And we had to pray and sing hymns...At a state school...coz we dont have church-State separation....Which is a good thing to have....