riVeRraT responds to me:
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You're right that it was insulting, riVeRraT. It was supposed to be. It was done to specifically show you what you have been doing to other people. If you don't like it when it is done to you, perhaps you should consider not doing it to others
I haven't done anything rhain
(*chuckle*)
You call Jews idiots, claim that those who don't follow Jesus are selfish bastards, etc., etc. and you have the unmitigated gall to claim you haven't done anything?
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You seem to think you can see into my mind or something.
Nope. I can only see into what you say. If you don't mean what you say, then perhaps you shouldn't say it. Your words indicate a fundamental lack of respect for anybody who doesn't agree with your vision of how god is supposed to be and you make it crystal clear every time you open your mouth.
If you don't mean this, then you need to find a new way of speaking.
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You also think you are greater than I. Too bad, it will be your demise.
Way to go! Condemn me to hell! That's really respectful. I can feel the love all the way from here. You've seen this before. Say it with me:
BZZZZT!
Pascal's Wager. I'm so sorry, riVeRraT. Johnny, tell him what parting gifts he has!
Well, Bob, riVeRraT has won himself a lifetime of anguish in someone else's hell! Yes, that's right. After spending all of his life fighting against Satan and worshipping the Christian god, riVeRraT gets a reward of going straight to Hades for his hubris. He'll be sentenced to solve a series of puzzles for which the instructions can be read in many ways. Every attempt to glean more information will be met with "Since it would just be a waste of my time to tell you, I won't." Of course, every proposed solution will conflict with something in the contradictory instructions. This being for his continued insistence that those around him are unworthy of explanations.
But, he won't get hungry because he'll have an afterlife-time supply of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat.
You didn't really think that the god that truly exists was the Christian one, did you?
Do you not see the insult you just threw my way? Because I don't agree with your opinion about god, I'm somehow going to be punished for all eternity! How on earth is that showing any sign of respect to someone else?
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Where does God come down and admit to creating evil?
Oh, for crying out loud! Have you not paid attention to anything? As I said in
Message 278 of
A question that was first presented by Socrates:
Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
You were an active participant in that thread, riVeRraT. Don't you dare to pretend like you haven't seen that verse before. That was not the only time it showed up and I am not the only one who has mentioned it but unfortunately, the search function for the board isn't working correctly and I cannot find the many times it has been brought up.
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That may be, but you've directly said that one cannot do god's work if one isn't Christian. You may do it for god, but what's to stop others from doing the exact same thing but without the need for god's approval?
But I have directly said that I cannot judge that.
But you just did!
Too bad, it will be your demise.
You just condemned me to hell, riVeRraT! What on earth do you think that is if not judgement?
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There clearly is a difference, and neither one is selfish like you claim.
I wasn't the one making the claim, riVeRraT. You were. You were the one that said that if people do things outside of doing it for god, they're doing it for themselves.
That sounds like selfishness to me.
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You seem to think you can figure someone out through your thought process.
I certainly have you pegged. You've already apologized to me once.
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You are an inciter.
(*chuckle*)
Nobody can make you do anything you don't want to do, riVeRraT. If you really didn't believe the things you are doing, you wouldn't do them.
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You put words in peoples mouths
Prove it. Show me where I have put any word into your mouth. Start with this message right here. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you didn't mean to threaten me with god's judgement when you said:
Too bad, it will be your demise.
You've already had to apologize to me once. Try not to let it happen again.
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You don't get to have it both ways. Either I know right and wrong and thus am capable of judging you, or I don't and I can't.
Which is it?
Note, if I don't know right and wrong, how is it fair to judge me for what I am incapable of understanding?
You can judge all you want.
Non sequitur. Let's try it again, shall we?
Either I know right and wrong and thus am capable of judging you, or I don't and I can't.
Which is it?
Whether or not I attempt to judge doesn't mean I'm actually doing it. The question put before you is whether or not I have that ability. Do humans know right and wrong? Wasn't that the result of Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge?
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Just I wouldn't suggest judging others in a fashion that you yourself wouldn't want to be judged.
Why not? If I'm doing something wrong, I would hope someone would point it out.
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Plus yours is not the final judgment.
Let's try it again, shall we?
BZZZZT!
Pascal's Wager. I'm so sorry, riVeRraT. Johnny, tell him what parting gifts he has!
Well, Bob, riVeRraT has won himself a lifetime of anguish in someone else's hell! Yes, that's right. After spending all of his life fighting against Satan and worshipping the Christian god, riVeRraT gets a reward of going straight to Hades for his hubris. He'll be sentenced to solve a series of puzzles for which the instructions can be read in many ways. Every attempt to glean more information will be met with "Since it would just be a waste of my time to tell you, I won't." Of course, every proposed solution will conflict with something in the contradictory instructions. This being for his continued insistence that those around him are unworthy of explanations.
But, he won't get hungry because he'll have an afterlife-time supply of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat.
You didn't really think that the god that truly exists was the Christian one, did you?
You just condemned me to hell, riVeRraT.
[I][B]AGAIN[/I][/b]
For someone who is so insistent about not judging, you do an amazing amount of it.
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I have no right to tell you, that you are going to heaven or hell
And yet, you do it all the time. Twice in this one message alone.
You've already had to apologize to me once.
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I mean even Jesus gave up on people after he gave them a chance.
I thought god was eternal love who would never, ever give up on someone if they really wanted to change.
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If you choose not to accept Jesus, than that is your choice. I will never be able to understand your choices, or claim if they are right or wrong, its not my job.
But you feel perfectly free to claim that I am going to hell for not doing so.
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!
Rat, you really are not helping anyone by showing your frustration with Rrhain. I will admit that he does like to challenge philosophical assumptions for no other reason than to prove that they are indeed assumptions. You have to realize, however, that your human rant proves the point of this topic. Man is inherently evil, and even a Christian who supposedly knows Jesus---as I believe that you do---has to deal with their own human issues of pride. As for you, Rrhain, I hold nothing against you. You are a great asset to budding Christian apologists everywhere. We often take our faith for granted and assume that everyone else sees the same light that we see. All that you guys see, however, is a moth trapped by a flame. Would you listen to a talking moth inviting you to share the light with them? 
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